I love the fact that the thread starts with “anticommunism is bad” and then proceeds to use anticommunist arguments
highlights:
- Stalin was nazbol
- Lenin was fascist
- ML has nothing to do with Marx or Lenin
By conceding the point that all the socialism that they approve of has failed they also concede to reactionaries that it always fails and is good in theory but bad in practice.
They need to read On Authority
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I’ve been seeing new takes like this (Lenin was a fascist is sort of new to me) and it feels a lot like the propaganda machine is just pumping out new takes every couple of weeks to see what sticks.
1 year ago saying that “tankies” are just sucdems was popular
That shit was KKKringe imo
From the highlights they sound like trots but +1 where they call Lenin a fascist too. Reading it…
Korin sounds like a trot. The overall theme seems to be anarchistic leftists buy into Marx but they don’t understand Marxism-Leninism or how it ties into Marxism. Tillian makes a reference to a famine happening because of Stalin in their country, so I’m guessing they’re Ukrainian? Unclear as to whether they call Ukraine home or if they’re physically there right now. Inker raccoon thinks a lady who sold ice cream to finance an assassination of a puppet that (from what I understand) was intended to spark a revolution, is someone to first take knowledge from on a subject of which she did not observe nor was involved in. Inker wants “libertarian socialism” (so I’m taking that as deindustrialized social democracy which is an oxymoron under US capital’s reign, a product of idealism…making them a state tool as that’s what the CIA pushes as the ideology of the faux left), and they have an ass-backwards understanding (or a lack thereof) on the topic of Bolsheviks v Mensheviks, and they finish off their crack-laced tangent by using recycled word vomit to twist the DotP into a dictatorship against the proletariat.
The raccoon seems to be the trouble maker in the thread, the others are mostly taking lead from them. Their pette bourgeois parents must have been quite strict for them to rebel against “authority” to such a degree yet still love capitalism. It’s been my experience that these anarchists/trots that are deep into the history of it all have themselves a history of disagreement with authority figures with a material interest in maintaining capitalism as growing up in a pette bourgeois household.
I think a pickaxe isn’t enough imo
Automatic excavator
Crazy that Marx, Engels and Stalin dunked on anarchists so damn hard with their works and anarchists have never been able to really argue those points. Like fr if you read After the Revolution: Marx debates Bakun, On Authority by Engels and Anarchism vs Socialism by Stalin and still remain an anarchist, you must have misread the books bc there’s no good faith argument against their claims
i straight up dont think reading those would even do anything for 99.99% of anarchist. they arent anarchist for its own sake to begin with, anarchism and dogmatism are simply the only ways they can hold left-ish ideas without having to rethink their entire understanding of history. thats why anarchist are within a rounding error westerners cuz thats where anti communist propaganda is at its strongest. if we want to “convert” anarchists we need works that disprove the propaganda about existing and past socialist attempts not that challenge their ideology. challenging their ideology wouldnt even do anything anyways since they would still think we are trying to 100 gorilion people and eat all the grain, and if we do manage to get them to question their false history and accept existing socialism and what we are trying to build and understand it as a progressive force it hardly matters whether they think all authority can be abolished after communism comes about or not, thats something for the people of the future to figure out.
The Bakuninists at Work is another good one.
That’s a good one I’ve never heard of that one before
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This is the worst take I ever saw
Nvm, this one is worse
When you’re so liberal you can’t even support the French Revolution.
Yep, without the French there would be no Russian
Considering the French Revolution was liberal, it’s more like “when you’re so reactionary”.
Nothing like supporting monarchy as sign of true communism. And then they will turn around and call DPRK and Cuba monarchy lol.
It is hilarious how historically illiterate they are. Thinking that they uncovered some kind of deep dark secret when they find out that Marxist communists, including Lenin, called themselves Social Democrats prior to WWI. Newsflash: the split in the Second International is what led to “Social Democrat” gaining the meaning as we understand it today. Before that it was synonymous with socialist or communist. Lenin and the Bolsheviks and others who split off from the Social Democrats over their opportunist position on the Imperialist War are the ones who popularized the idea of identifying as a communist as something distinct from Social Democracy. This person is using Lenin’s terminology and doesn’t even know it.
I won’t even go into the absurd things this commenter said about the Mensheviks. How someone can get to be this wrong and misinformed i have no idea.
Dontcha know? You’re supposed to say the magic word and then communism happens? Anyone advocating for a state is obv an op
Magic word? I thought it was a button.
Anarchists think this is the button:
What magic word?
It’s a swear and Im a good boy so unfortunately communism will never happen😢
It’s not a matter of if, it’s a matter of when.
Image 1 text Inken Paper @crashglasshouses@tsukihi.me capitalist shit SHOW LESS @tillianisafox democratic socialism is yet another different animal that belongs more closely with social democracy and the other misnomers used to describe capitalist reformism. we want libertarian socialism, free of state, free from capitalism. Marx was part of the reason Lenin decided he could use the idea of state communism. Marx believed such a thing could be possible. but Lenin was much more inspired by the Jacobins, who were inspired by Robespierre, the architect of mass executions by guillotine during the first French revolution, whose own head was chopped by what he had created. Lenin was never a communist. his political party was first called the Social Democratic Party of Russia, which can tell you a lot about everything he did from that time forward. the Bolsheviks were the bourgeois wing of Lenin’s party. the Menscheviks were the lower-class wing, containing mostly Jewish party members, who were treated horribly by the Bolsheviks. all of the best things in Lenin’s Russia were given to the upper classes. his Tcheka would murder organising workers. strikes were outlawed. he turned the Soviet, which is supposed to be a workers’ council, into a council of bosses. Lenin was a fascist, the USSR was fascist. Feb 24
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Зобразити 1 текст Папір для чорнила @crashglasshouses@tsukihi.me капіталістичне лайно ПОКАЗУЙТЕ МЕНШЕ @tillianisafox Демократичний соціалізм - це ще одна інша тварина, яка належить до соціал-демократії та інших неправильних назв, що використовуються для опису капіталістичний реформізм. Ми хочемо лібертаріанського соціалізму, вільного від держави, вільного від капіталізму. Маркс був однією з причин, чому Ленін вирішив, що може використати ідею державного комунізму. Маркс вірив, що таке можливо, але Леніна набагато більше надихали більше надихали якобінці, яких надихав Робесп’єр, архітектор масових страт на гільйотині під час першої французької революції, чия власна голова була розрубана тим, що він створив. Ленін ніколи не був комуністом. його політична партія спочатку називалася Соціал-демократична партія Росії, що може багато розповісти про все, що він робив про все, що він робив з того часу. більшовики були буржуазним крилом Леніна. більшовики були буржуазним крилом ленінської партії. меншовики були крилом нижчого класу, що складалося переважно з єврейських партійців, до яких більшовики ставилися жахливо. більшовики ставилися жахливо. все найкраще в ленінській Росії було віддано вищим класам. його “Чека” вбивала організованих робітників. вбивала робітників-організаторів. страйки були поза законом. він перетворив Раду, яка мала бути радою робітників, на раду начальників. Ленін був фашистом, СРСР був фашистським. 24 лютого
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Image 1 text Inken Paper @crashglasshouses@tsukihi.me re: capitalist shit, caps @tillianisafox his idea of “dictatorship of the working class” was to literally call the upper classes and those with close party connections, “working class” under his dictatorship. they were given all of the former ruling class’ homes, schools, etc. Feb 24
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Anarkitties trying not to slide into dogmatism challenge: NIGHTMARE
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