Russia would never accept a deal which allows Ukraine to join NATO. They already know they will win in the long haul so why would they take anything less than what they want?
Yeah exactly, I do think the goal here is to test the waters and then pave the path to spin any remnant of Ukraine to be called a victory.
one of the four Southern regions
membership in NATOyeah, that sounds like a great deal for Russia – the NATO countries are known to keep their promises, which is why the Minsk agreements are still in place and Russia never entered Ukraine and wait hang on a minute that’s not
In what world is losing hundreds of thousands of your young men and that much land a ‘victory’ lmfao
I wish redefining the terms of a victory worked this well in Overwatch, I’d have hit T500 by season 7.
Victory for the US in achieving its goals, sacrificing the population of Ukraine and the economy of Europe
Ukraine will become a client state either way. Whoever side wins, Ukraine and its people already lost.
It was already a puppet regime of the US since 2014 coup.
So, Ukraine will win if it loses. How the standards have changed.
welcome to modern western philosophy :)
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as long as the media can convince people in the west that it’s a victory that’s all that matters
Russia doesn’t really care for territory. They’ll gladly take the Russian-speaking parts, but that’s not the main goal.
The main goal is to destroy Ukraine’s capability to wage war for the next 50 years, to bankrupt the country, to denazify the government, and create the conditions where the Nazis will never attain power there again. All this leads to Ukraine becoming undesirable to the NATO and EU expansion eastwards, while also becoming dependent on Russia economically, politically, diplomatically and militarily.
Russia will never accept the possibility that Ukraine will join NATO, and as long as that continues to be a Ukrainian desire and a Western interest, this war will keep going. Russia will also not even accept any condition where Ukraine will join the EU, unless maybe Russia is a beneficiary in that agreement.
The ideal situation for Russia is not for Ukraine’s conquest or vassalization. The ideal solution would be if Ukraine became a demilitarized, neutral buffer between Russia and NATO, that ideally would defer to Russia on international politics and trade in certain cases.
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