So the Russian government is dismantling the Ukrainian power grid with one hand, and helping the EU keep the UAF war machine running with the other. Yeah.
So, Ukraine back in 2000’s was stealing russian gas because the very preferential prices were still too much for them, and that was actually the beginning of the chain of events directly leading to what is happening now, and now they would still buy russian energy but 50 times more expensive with a war on top.
Banderist logic 101
Banderites I don’t much care for. It’s the Russian oil companies that piss me off. Don’t tell me they didn’t see this coming. Don’t tell me no-one in FSB or SVR had predicted this could happen. There are our countrymen dying in the trenches and what does the government do? Why it helps EU help people that are killing them! But the traitor is obviously some bloke reading about gays.
Even if we disregard capitalist realism of selling to the enemy, Russia want and must sell energy to Europe, even regradless of economy, because it divide its enemies and dig the ground under EU. And commodities are impossible to control anyway when sold.
divide its enemies and dig the ground under EU
What divide? There was supposed to be a divide between Hungary and EU. Turns out it was only a divide because Hungary wanted the contracts for itself. But the end goal is the same.
But NATO is divided. Turkey is literally bombing US-backed insurgents in Syria, which means that they hate the West so much they are now literally allied with Bashar al-Assad (technically). France and Germany face ire from Poland and the Baltics for “not doing enough”. And Western Europe now is uneasy with the US because they’re starting to realize who ultimately benefits from this whole shebang. NATO will not implode overnight, but the cracks are forming. It will eventually become a hinderment to the European bourgeoisie, and then it will not last long.
Are you perhaps under some illusion that Orban and his govt is anything but fascist? What did you expected? Any divide is better than none (and this is being talked often in EU, it’s not trivial) and russian energy would be sold to EU and UA anyway by Turkey or whonot else. Russia would have to cease any export at all to be sure.
Are you perhaps under some illusion that Orban and his govt is anything but fascist?
How did you get that from what I wrote?
Russia would have to cease any export at all to be sure
Yes, that would’ve been nice. Or ya know, switch to customers that aren’t openly and actively supporting a war that is killing our countrymen
How did you get that from what I wrote?
I might have be a little hasty and automatically did a needless rebuttal of “Hungary is antiimperialist” popular theme among some left. Anyway, the divide do exist but it’s about exactly what to expect between middle tier imperialism and their petulant vassals.
Yes, that would’ve been nice.
Considering how Russia exports look, that would be express NATO win and possibly even yeltsinism back as consequence.
Or ya know, switch to customers that aren’t openly and actively supporting a war that is killing our countrymen
They did a lot of that, but again there’s no guarantee what will happen to the commodities after being sold. Afaik even China is trading russian resources further…
Considering how Russia exports look, that would be express NATO win and possibly even yeltsinism back as consequence.
Explain this part, please
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So wouldn’t this be the west paying for Ukrainian oil then. Ukrainian economy is basically running on western money at this point, and if Ukraine is going to be importing Russian oil from third parties then it’s basically the west footing the bill for that.
Two things:
- Who is getting the money from the oil sales?
- Who is footing the bill in the west?
I’ll be honest with you, I am not at all worried about the west in this situation. They’ve plenty of petit bourgeosie and labour artistocracy to fleece in order to fund the war. What I am worried is our homegrown bourgeousie giving the enemy tools to kill our proletarians with.
Presumably it’s going to be countries like Turkey, India, and China who are going to resell oil to Ukraine and the west. So, there’s going to be net outflow of money from western economies. This is on top of already difficult economic situation developing here, and especially so in Europe.
The war would obviously end faster if Ukraine was starved for energy entirely, but there isn’t really a practical way to achieve that. Russia can’t really control what other countries do with their oil and gas, so it can’t prevent third party resales short of stopping sales of energy entirely.
So, there’s going to be net outflow of money from western economies.
This war might well end Europe’s centuries-old status as rentnerstaaten, what a timeline
Yeah, I think that’s a likely outcome. The west being forced to allocate so many resources to Ukraine necessarily means that they start losing grip on their interests in the rest of the world. Meanwhile, countries are now starting to see an alternative to western hegemony and are actively looking for ways to get out from under western oppression. We are living through historical times.
It could theoretically sanction Ukraine but historically sanctions have never really worked (Russia has imported millions if not billions of dollars worth of Western computer chips since February from third-parties in Turkey and China and god knows where else)
What?
You seem to paying close attention to the Ukraine situation. Figured you would find it interesting
oh yeah ok
What a world, what a world
