r/China - November 28, Lady falls off bike, enters seizure and no bystanders help
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  • @thetablesareorange
    12•1 year ago

    it’s a form of white supremacist propaganda, mostly used by the KKK, they basically just find all the weird videos of people of a certain race doing bad things, literally anything, fighting, being weird, hurting animals, committing crime of any kind, as you can see from the comments its designed to just give everyone the excuse to make racist comments. Long term exposure dehumanizes the race, while also angering white people as they emphasize any video where a white person is a victim. The more innocent looking the white person the better, then you are no longer fighting these zombie monsters and free to murder them without a second thought, but are defending all the innocent white people from these monsters. Many white supremacists found it difficult to fight in Afghanistan because their propaganda showed brown skinned Arabs, while most afghans are closer to white with blonde hair and colored eyes.

  • DankZedong A
    10•1 year ago

    Might be hard to answer. I don’t see videos of Chinese people falling en masse without receiving help. So, maybe? And if it wasn’t, what would that say about China? I mean, these things happen over here as well. We have literal tent cities where people are left to rot.

      • DankZedong A
        6•1 year ago

        Jim Croce and his superior moustache. I was a bit tipsy yesterday while listening to one of his albums and I changed my pfp.

  • @redtea
    8•1 year ago

    First, I’ll address the problem with the title: ‘no bystanders help’. It is true that the bystanders in the video do not appear to help during the video. We simply do not know what they did out of frame. And the traffic is clear, then turns into a tail-back quite quickly. I assume, although I may be wrong, that people in that traffic or a pedestrian bystander helps after the video is cut off. I don’t know how that guy sits on his own bike and just shrugs, but this does not mean that nobody helped.

    Second, I’ll address the implication in the question, whether this is isolated incident. I think it is the wrong question, in so far as it suggests that if this is not an isolated incident then people outside of China should / are right to criticise China (or the people in China).

    Even if this happens regularly (I have no idea about the actual statistics), the idea that it casts a poor light over China is anti-dialectical.

    People in the West could only judge people in China if people in the West were more likely to help others than are people in China. Multiple stories, even showing that the example is not an isolated incident (again, I do not know if it is), would not necessarily support a Western critique of people in China.

    It is bad if people stand by while others are injured, of course, but the implication in the comments to the example thread is that people in China are especially bad in this regard.

    When we take a relational position and consider similar situations in the West, it is clear that whatever problems are faced in China, people in the West should not be judgmental. Consider the following four examples:

    These are poor sources. The narrative for the UK stories is written to persuade the reader that the reason that police, for example, cannot help people who are drowning is because of overly rigid health and safety regulations. It’s rather cynical. Trying to convince people that a lack of health and safety regulations would improve health and safety.

    In England and Wales, there is no duty to rescue. So if you see someone suffering from personal injury, you can stand and watch (legally speaking). Worse, if you do help, you may become liable for negligence if you hurt the person while helping them.

    This, apparently, is the same across other common law jurisdictions (mainly ex-British colonies), but is not true in civil law jurisdictions (continental Europe and their ex-colonies): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duty_to_rescue.

    My point is that such incidents (failures to rescue) in Britain and the US are not isolated. I don’t know where you’re from, OP. But as for the commenters in the Reddit post, if they are in common law countries, they cannot criticise people as a whole in China.

    (Anecdotally, I see more Western stories of how the police fail to rescue people than do bystanders. There’s too much to unpick to consider the issue here fully, but I wonder what the stats are for Chinese police rescuing others compared to British, Canadian, French, US, etc. I have seen groups of bystanders rush to help people and other groups who stand and stare. I myself have done both. In the right camera angle, you would see me standing still, then walking off, as a disabled woman fell out her mobility scooter on a steep hill. I did not help because on the other side of the street, her companion / partner / carer and three or four construction workers were already rushing over to help. I would have just been in the way.)

    And this is all before we get to the broader problem of what counts as personal injury and what counts as rescue. Whatever the stats show for rescuing people from personal injury accidents, common law states will sit back and let people die of treatable medical conditions and homelessness (lack of food, hypothermia, etc). What’s the difference between failing to help someone having a seizure on a bike and letting diabetics have seizures through lack of healthcare?

    Then there’s the abandonment of places like Afghanistan, knowing or suspecting that people not rescued will be mistreated: https://www.rfi.fr/en/international/20210822-france-us-have-a-moral-duty-to-help-those-in-danger-to-leave-afghanistan-jean-yves-le-drian-joe-biden-usa-kabul-taliban

    You might have a better time in r/Sino than r/China.

    • @quack3927OP
      3•1 year ago

      Thanks for the answer. I’m from NZ and usually I see bystanders help other people when they’re in trouble.

      I do follow r/Sino, not r/China but sometimes it pops up on my feed.

      • @redtea
        4•1 year ago

        Funnily enough, I was going to *mention NZ, because you do things differently to other common law countries.

        You have the NZ Accident Compensation Scheme. While the scheme has its problems, the criticism of, say, the US, UK, Canada, etc, does not quite apply to NZ. The NZ AC Corporation will pay victims of personal injury until they are recovered (if they recover) and will try to help with physio, etc, and help people get back to work. Since that scheme was implemented, ordinary tort law does not apply to most personal injury claims. (Personal injury torts may have been abolished completely, but I’m unsure if there are some that are not covered by the scheme. At one time only physical personal injuries were covered, but psychiatric harm is also covered now.)

        I wonder if this means people in NZ do not have to worry about hurting others during a rescue? (Because nobody is going to get sued for negligence, anyway.)

  • @Eat_Yo_Vegetables69
    8•1 year ago

    Hard to speak for how actually widespread this is now, but this began over a decade ago where there were good samaritans being sued by the very people they’d helped up (either fallen over of hit by a vehicle). This led to situations where eventually people would act as “if you didn’t hit them, don’t help them up”. This is where the phrase touching the porcelain (碰瓷) comes from. It’s similar to those dashcam videos of people running up to the car in an effort to pretend to be hit so they can sue the driver for damages.

    It’s definitely real (most of the worst incidents I’ve read about were during the mid 2010s) but at the same time it doesn’t mean that good samaritans don’t go out of their way to save or prevent people from dangerous situations (drowning, falling from heights etc). We have similar things happen here in the west where people get attacked and the first reaction of bystanders being to take out their phones to record but it’s not used to portray to the entire population as being uncaring and evil.

    As for that subreddit itself, it’s white dominated sprinkled with gusanos with one of its former mods actually openly lamenting that the Japanese didn’t slaughter enough of us on the anniversary of the Nanjing massacre. So they’re crying crocodile tears here and will take every opportunity to portray us as savage subhumans who do not have any decency to help people.