Cheat their ass off in HOI4/Kaiserreich just to see the map go red?

I’m not megamind enough to “get” grand strategy, especially Paradox games. I just like to bump production to 10,000% and form the United Socialist South American States.

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    It’s not super megamind, especially HOI4. It’s all about knowing the meta and applying it. As with all games of this scale there’s exploits and minmaxxing the devs overlooked and we use them with great glee.

    I have no idea about the current hoi4 meta as I’m more of an EU4 player but once you know it it gets so much easier. Division composition, priorities, important resources, etc.

    Florryworry for example (best eu4 player, though last I saw he seemed to be struggling a bit lol) conquered the world with Ethiopia of all countries (starts at war with Italy and has very few provinces to defend).

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      I guess personally it may be more of a time invested/what I want to get out of it dichotomy. I think it’s very neat how strategically minded people can be and can come out on top in this games legitly, but even w/ insane cheats it usually takes hours of gameplay to achieve the end state I want anyway, and I have a tendency to get bored of certain nations if they’re not living up to the standards I want them to (like goofy totalist trees or whatever, forming new nations etc.) Got told by a friend once that if I wanted to roleplay I could just play Crusader Kings, but can you install tankie Khruschev to turn Ukraine into Corntopia in Crusader Kings? Checkmate, strategy tankies.

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      Yeah, I think Hoi4 is probably the simplest paradox grand strategy besides maybe stellaris, I’ve played so much EU4 and I can barely get by in that game but Hoi4 I was competent enough to beat the AI in just the first 10-20 hours of playing. I think its mostly to do with understanding templates and production, once you get the hang of that its all mind numbingly easy in singleplayer.

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        Crusader Kings is probably the simplest and easiest to get into. Combat is literally have more soldiers than the enemy stack (for all the different unit types lol). Although in CK3 they removed primogeniture until the end of the game which makes it super difficult to keep your empire intact after your death.

        CK3 is definitely more of a roleplaying game with that change, where they discourage blobbing (@SovereignState@lemmygrad.ml to reply to your comment as well). You can’t really go wrong in CK3, there’s always stuff happening that makes for an interesting game.

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          I think CK2 is quite a bit more difficult than HOI4 because its very RNG based, although CK3 I may agree is probably easier because its dumbed down a lot. Less focus on skilled strategy and more on personal roleplay. Not my cup of tea, but yes probably quite simple. I still wouldn’t say CK2 is easier than HOI4, there’s just a whole lot of systems and a whole lot of RNG.

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            Really? I struggle with HOI4 because I’ve never looked at the meta, but I have no problems in CK2 – and CK3 is even easier barring the primogeniture decision paradox made.

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              I’d say so, for a beginner the sheer amount of luck takes away control from the player, in Hoi4 you have the option to railroad the AI to always do the same things every time, allowing you to better learn the game and react accordingly, as an example.

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    I haven’t purchased it (or obtained it through other means) yet, but you can bet I’ll be doing the same thing when I do.

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    Out of every strategy game I’ve played, HOI4 just eludes me. Can’t do anything in that game despite spending ages watching pros and reading different tutorials. It’s a shame because it’d be fun to experiment with alternate histories, but alas.

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      Don’t blame you at all. I play Kaiserredux (using Easybuff+, cheats set to a bajillion) and sometimes the alt history is cringe as hell obviously written by libs with surface level knowledge of history, but… sometimes it’s worth it, like forming the USSR out of Georgia.

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        Oh I don’t expect much out of modmakers’ politics considering one of the most popular mods seems to be an Anarcho-Syndicalist anti-ML fanfiction, but that screenshot’s pretty cool

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      You’re probably thinking at this game too literally. Like pick USSR and follow their historical development, seize Berlin, etc.

      Truth is they’re games that are meant to be abstracted. Annex China as the USSR to get more productive capacity, stuff like that. Don’t think of it as the USSR, think of it in terms of your resources.

      Learn how the AI works and exploit that.

      I didn’t really get into HOI4 because while I like the combat, I don’t like that it devolves into WW2 at some point. I mean, it’s supposed to, but it just freezes up the entire second half of the game with wars everywhere. I like blobbing in EU4 and just fighting smaller enemies without getting stuck into endless wars.

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        Yeah, the few successes I’ve had have been when I watched someone better than me exploit the AI. I’ve managed to win the Spanish Civil War as the Republicans a few times as well as conquer Xibei San Ma, Sinkiang and the other one near Communist China (only to get steamrolled by Japan and carried by ROC). But then I try to put what I’ve learnt to something as basic as invading Poland as Germany in either 1936 and 1939 and I can’t even beat them before the Allies have set troops everywhere. :(

  • beautiful_boater [he/him, any]@hexbear.net
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    I haven’t really used much cheats. I need to find up to date strategy guides, because I play infrequently enough that every time I come back and play Russia, it seems they change the strategy to get Russia back to socialism. Do I appease the Mensheviks and SRs and Narodniks to build an empowered Left/Center-Left to where Bukharin is optimistic about a coup, or do I always crack down and take the furthest right position for accelerationism to kick in? I remember both at some point being the way to get there.