If the Russians didn’t want more countries in NATO, then they shouldn’t have invaded Ukraine. It’s not “imperialism” or “russophobia” for Finland to be afraid of a Russian invasion.
NATO shouldn’t have expanded beyond the former DDR to provoke Russia
Never forget that NATO was collaborating with Nazis and performing false flag terrorist operations in Europe after WW2 to instill red panic and install pro-US leaders.
The cold war is over
NATO is still collaborating with Nazis to this day. You can’t see a single picture from Ukraine that doesn’t have a Nazi patch and Canada recently gave a standing ovation for a “Ukrainian war hero” who, uh oh, was a general for the waffen SS. I mean, what do you expect from an institution literally started by a Nazi? The fact that people still choose not to see it leads me to the most regrettable of conclusions.
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Literally shut the fuck up. Do you seriously have dick-all for media literacy? How are people still falling for this…?
I’m so fucking sick of this bullshit. I know it isn’t true, but please for the love of god tell me the reason you’re saying this is because you’re a bad faith nazi, I would honestly prefer that over yet another shit-for-brains white liberal who passively believes everything they’re hear on the TV.
EDIT: You know what? That was way too aggro, i’m just fucking exhausted. I should have just asked you your stance on Israel so you could reveal yourself as being a being a massive monster to the moderators. That would have been the correct play.
Go educate yourself: https://youtu.be/exJ024Zdzdk
I am a Swedish social democrat, and this video is by Sarcasmitron on YouTube, who is also a social democrat.
And yes, the US’s veto on the UN cease-fire resolution was their biggest foreign policy mistake in 2023.
It is not bannable on lemmy.ml for communists to think I’m a “liberal”, and I would end my monthly donations to Dessalines and Nutomic if it was.
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You’re both right
Why shouldn’t former DDR countries sign a defensive pact? Why would Russia not want them to do that?
Since that ‘defensive pact’ was specifically created to serve as America’s spearhead against the USSR
Spearhead against what? The USSR attacking other countries?
Name one Western European country the Soviets attacked without provocation
former DDR countries
when you definitely know what you’re talking about
this is the former DDR country, singular
Why would Russia not want them to do that?
Because NATO agreed not to? Because they expect agreements to be upheld?
You’re right I have no idea what DDR means in the context of countries or geopolitics.
As for the claim that NATO wouldn’t expand past the DDR, all I could find were sources that say it was an oral agreement between the US and the USSR. I don’t see why the USSR (now Russia) should get to decide what unions eastern European countries decide to join, especially since after the collapse of the Warsaw pact said countries were no longer part of a defensive pact.
https://www.france24.com/en/russia/20220130-did-nato-betray-russia-by-expanding-to-the-east
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Sure, it was a dumb move because it angered Russia, but it’s not a reason to murder civilians.
Ukraine murdered civilians in the eastern half of the country since the euromaiden coup, breaking the Minsk Agreements multiple times
No they did not.
Also, it’s not a coup if the president abdicates.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/22/ukraine-tymoshenko-president-protests
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I don’t think the Scandinavian/Nordic countries were ever actually neutral or non aligned/committed. Even during the 2006 NATO Red Flag military drills, Sweeden was committed to taking the side of “the West” should a NATO country be attacked. This position was made public by having four Gripen military fighter jets participate in the NATO manoeuvre Red Flag back then, where an attack on a NATO country is used as a scenario to test combat readiness. The Gripen jets were even made fully compatible with NATO standards during the manoeuvre. Denmark sent troops to Iraq.
So there is only a surrendering of official/public non committance/neutrality, as in reality Nordic countries have made their commitment to being NATO aligned quite clear over the past few decades.
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Russia has done more for NATO than the US has done
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What do you mean?
“I can excuse the literal Third Reich and Italian fascism but I draw the line at the Russian invasion of Ukraine”
“You can excuse the Third Reich??”
It says something. Not sure what.
It’s more about avoiding becoming the next victim of Russian imperialist aggression than making some moral stand in support of Ukraine.
Well they can kiss their unions goodbye in about a decade.
NATO is a military alliance, not an economic pact.
Nothing is ever in a bubble.
Sure, but why would a military alliance be of any greater consequence than, say, membership in the European Union?
Because the EU is a loose collection of liberal nations, while NATO was literally started by a nazi to spread anticommunism.
Man that was a hoot.
Nordic countries are getting colonized.
Willingly too
More like stopping that from ever happening again.
US is literally building their own bases there. That’s the definition of being colonized. You’re just happy they’re getting colonized by the right people because you’re racist.
You deduce that I’m racist based on one single post that indicates that they may want to avoid future attacks from Russia?
There was no potential for any attacks from Russia, and no reason for Russia to attack these countries. So yes, your premise of Asiatic hordes invading Europe further underscores my point.
Asia was never brought up in the conversation. Unsure why you feel the need to misrepresent my words.
Those articles are archaic. Very strange to assume that everyone will have seen those and then use them as a vehicle of attack.