It's clear that Reddit will lay a heavy hand on any sub criticizing the west in the Ukraine war. Any sub that receives the orphaned mass of GenZedong will be a possible next candidate for deletion....

archive_bot · 2 years ago

It's clear that Reddit will lay a heavy hand on any sub criticizing the west in the Ukraine war. Any sub that receives the orphaned mass of GenZedong will be a possible next candidate for deletion....

archive_bot · 2 years ago

u/SietchJacurutu - originally from r/GenZhou
There’s also real life organising.

archive_bot · 2 years ago

u/Based_grandma69 - originally from r/GenZhou
The internet is a useful tool for making community with comrades around the globe and in places where communism is suppressed, but of course we need to engage more than ever IRL.

archive_bot · 2 years ago

u/Leviation_ - originally from r/GenZhou
What, you guys gonna storm Reddit headquarters to make them restore Genzedong?

archive_bot · 2 years ago

u/SietchJacurutu - originally from r/GenZhou
Organising in real life need not involve Gen Zedong at all

archive_bot · 2 years ago

u/Leviation_ - originally from r/GenZhou
Honestly with all this talk of organising strikes and all that, no meaningful action has been taken from the far left to further their cause.

archive_bot · 2 years ago

u/KinkCrimson - originally from r/GenZhou
Do you expect a working class revolution to happen out of nowhere? This shows a clear lack of understanding of the marxist perspective

archive_bot · 2 years ago

u/Leviation_ - originally from r/GenZhou
Well the QAnon movement came out of nowhere as well, and even they did more in 4-5 years than the far left ever did in around the same time frame

archive_bot · 2 years ago

u/KinkCrimson - originally from r/GenZhou
Yean no shit far right and right wing movements will have a much easier time “achieving” things in the imperial core, that is because left wing movements are repressed. If you don’t focus on America, you will realize how much class conscioussness has risen in the world.

archive_bot · 2 years ago

u/Leviation_ - originally from r/GenZhou
Also probably because majority of the far left are too young to vote. :P

archive_bot · 2 years ago

u/DevilSympathy - originally from r/GenZhou
Why are you here? Fuck off.

archive_bot · 2 years ago

u/Leviation_ - originally from r/GenZhou
Why can’t i be here? Why are leftists so unwelcoming

archive_bot · 2 years ago

u/DevilSympathy - originally from r/GenZhou
Because you’re part of an enormous horde of brainless Americans and if we committed our time trying to educate people like you we’d never do anything else. We’d all be much happier if you simply left and never returned.

archive_bot · 2 years ago

[deleted] - originally from r/GenZhou
As opposed to the far right that with intelligence agency aid plotted Jan 6? Let us admit one thing what has the right done that is not cringe with neo fascists such as Patriot Front (Mussolini Fascists with gov support) being paraded around as a talking point, as for the trucker thing it is falling apart due to lack of ideological purity and core values in unison.

archive_bot · 2 years ago

u/Leviation_ - originally from r/GenZhou
I dont support what happened on Jan 6, but they did more than the far left keyboard warriors ever did in 4 years

archive_bot · 2 years ago

u/dragonfruitlover420 - originally from r/GenZhou
Or we could all spend more time organizing

archive_bot · 2 years ago

u/FuriousTank - originally from r/GenZhou
But i dont like the UX of it…

archive_bot · 2 years ago

u/CMDR_VegShiva - originally from r/GenZhou
https://github.com/LemmurOrg/lemmur

archive_bot · 2 years ago

u/Logan_Maddox - originally from r/GenZhou
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archive_bot · 2 years ago

u/TheAnonymouseJoker - originally from r/GenZhou
Jerboa and Lemmur on F-Droid.

archive_bot · 2 years ago

u/RedDeadlifts - originally from r/GenZhou
What is the point in lemmygrad? The advantage of Genzedong on Reddit is crossposting and attracting people to the page and converting them to the ideology.

What does creating a separate space for Genzedong users achieve? It’s a place to hang out with other MLs and post memes sure - but you can do that with real life organising

Or ‘touch grass’ as the kids say

archive_bot · 2 years ago

u/s1syphean - originally from r/GenZhou
Because we should and have to conceive of Reddit being a transient step towards federated platforms.

Federated platforms are the future and we should invest in them now, partially by forming pipelines to it in the presently dominant forum.

Commenting here for visibility - Lemmygrad is more than just a knock-off subreddit replacement. Let us actively leverage Lemmy’s federative structure in our favor.

Right now, the bulk of the activity on Lemmygrad is happening in one community: lemmygrad.ml/c/genzedong. This is expected and completely normal. We are in the immediate aftermath of a mass exodus away from one of the last large, explicit bastions of anti-imperialism and communism on Reddit, and in our haste to settle we have made and populated /c/genzedong, and, in doing so, recreated the home we were familiar with: a all-purpose hub designed to be a seat of ML engagement. However, while familiar, many unfavorable structural features forced upon us by merely existing on Reddit have carried over with us. We became desensitized to the less-than-ideal compromises we made to have a presence on Reddit, and, now that we have stepped outside into greener pastures, our eyes have not quite adjusted to the new opportunities to aid our cause. Let’s accelerate the acclimation!

TL;DR: We are no longer constrained from things as simple as outletting frustration by wishing death on Nazis to the more impactful, such as the freedom to actively organize and brigade. There are myriad new ways we can better equip ourselves for the long fight with the tools and technology Lemmy’s federalized structure offers us. We should lean into these changes quickly.

To contribute to this process (which is happening and will continue to happen whether or not we expedite it), I will outline a niche of optimization yet unexplored:

Lemmygrad is already the /r/genzedong equivalent that /c/genzedong is trying to be.

Lemmygrad is an instance of the Lemmy structure. Lemmy instances can be thought of as what subreddits would be if they were hosted on their own separate domain/websites. More accurately, you can also think of Lemmy instances as what Reddit would look like if you could just copy Reddit’s code, buy a domain, and make your own version of Reddit that you own and administrate, instead of some large company in San Fransisco that can delete you and your forum off of their site for stating that there was no massacre in Tiananmen Square. Consequently, we need to treat Lemmygrad as if we stumbled upon an unoccupied yet functional Reddit domain, with full subreddit capability.

We are no longer forced to view /c/genzedong as a catch-all forum for every possible ML post, as a de-facto standard-bearer and home for those posts that have no better place to be posted. As we grow, we should periodically fracture off posts by purpose into new, focused communities.

Among some already-implemented ideas to spark this transition:

a /r/worldnews equivalent that isn’t a hellscape of propaganda as a place for the /r/genzedong posts about significant global developments:
- lemmygrad.ml/c/worldnews
- lemmygrad.ml/c/us_news
- lemmy.ml/c/worldnews (bigger but in the main, non-communist instance)
a community just for the types of post that were only allowed on ‘lib cringe weekend’
a brigading launch-point community aimed at agitation and propaganda
- lemmygrad.ml/c/redditactionfront
a pipeline receptacle community to catch new users entering Lemmygrad, where questions can be asked and educational resources are easily accessible
- lemmygrad.ml/c/newtolemmygrad

What You Should Do Right Now

Browse through Lemmygrad’s ever-growing list of communities (subreddit equivalents) and subscribe to and engage with those that interest you.
Create your own communities to fill important niches we were prevented from imagining at Reddit.
Link this post to all places that contain people disenfranchised and disillusioned by Reddit’s looming ban of /r/genzedong (e.g. Reddit, Discord, Telegram, Element, etc…). We need to advertise why Lemmygrad is more than just a knock-off subreddit replacement that will be forgotten about in a month. Moreover, we should aim towards reaching appreciation of the unique opportunities Lemmy presents for the people already inside the community.

archive_bot · 2 years ago

u/vibe-juice - originally from r/GenZhou
There are those of us who live in rural shitholes and can’t organize in real life. The closest socialist party for me is a several hour drive away.

So alternate online forms of Marxist Leninist communities are much better for keeping ourselves informed.

archive_bot · 2 years ago

u/foxmulder2014 - originally from r/GenZhou
Form your own chapter

I live in a small, mostly rural village (it’s not a shithole though) and me and my buddy (who I convinced to read “Introduction to Marxism”) and we formed our own chapter.

Via online we contacted a bigger group for logistical support, information, etc

They even gave us some info on leftists they knew lived in our area and we eventually got a group of 7 people.

Mind you, it was hard work and took years.

archive_bot · 2 years ago

u/vibe-juice - originally from r/GenZhou
Yeah, I’m not married to this area, I’m going to move soon. Things aren’t always simple as “forming your own chapter”

archive_bot · 2 years ago

u/foxmulder2014 - originally from r/GenZhou
Agreed

It’s far from simple. I assure you, I’ve been there

archive_bot · 2 years ago

[deleted] - originally from r/GenZhou
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archive_bot · 2 years ago

u/vibe-juice - originally from r/GenZhou
I have a degree in graphic design you dumb fuck.

I chose to live in this rural shithole bc my dad had a stroke and I don’t believe in abandoning family.

archive_bot · 2 years ago

u/foxmulder2014 - originally from r/GenZhou
r/GenZhukov partially fulfils that role for the moment. Most members and some mods come from GZD

archive_bot · 2 years ago

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archive_bot · 2 years ago

[deleted] - originally from r/GenZhou
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archive_bot · 2 years ago

u/wkpl9999 - originally from r/GenZhou
There’s more to it than that. Staying on this site means that admins can erase a community with the click of a button. There’s no reason a community can’t be built on an open federated platform while trying to maintain a presence elsewhere - not sure how that is supposed to happen, but consider what happens when GenZedong is eventually inevitably banned and there is no real alternative. It happened to the Chapo subreddits.

archive_bot · 2 years ago

u/CMDR_VegShiva - originally from r/GenZhou
Yes, it is.

The idea is not to isolate there, but to have a safe place to organize precisely in this type of situation.

As already said, just staying here gives reddit the power to delete the entire community with just one click.

We are easily disjointed if we depend only on reddit to be able to articulate.

archive_bot · 2 years ago

u/4evaronin - originally from r/GenZhou
i think it’s just weird that people talk about “refugees” and “orphans” as if the bulk of gzd users only posted exclusively in 1 sub.

or that the other subs are really that much different, minus the communism. there are many subs that shit on gzd for being childish or has annoying shitposts or larpers when they are really, and ironically, not that much different themselves.

i think the critical factor is that gzd grew a little too large for a sub that goes against the approved narratives. and hence a threat that needed to be neutralized before it became a real danger.

archive_bot · 2 years ago

u/rellekk90 - originally from r/GenZhou
There’s also the cth posters over at hexbear.net

archive_bot · 2 years ago

u/Euph0riccall - originally from r/GenZhou
Lemmy is good. I only created an account a few weeks ago. Also of course remember to organise irl

archive_bot · 2 years ago

u/Moose2315 - originally from r/GenZhou
If any sub that has a large influx of genzedong users will be banned then we should all just go to whatever liberal subs we want one by one getting them banned.

archive_bot · 2 years ago

u/foxmulder2014 - originally from r/GenZhou
So far r/GenZhukov has been flying under the radar. By also posting WW2 content and MSM.

It also predates, the ban on GDZ, so there’s no ban evasion

But yeah, the mods have to be vigilant to what gets posted