Once in a while, the New York Times runs an article that reveals what this media conglomerate really represents. People often call the Times “liberal.” That’s because it seems to oppose some of the most reactionary politicians, like president #45, and gives ample opinion space to diverse voices.
    • Black AOC
      155·
      10 months ago

      So you’re another one of those ‘anything but an AES state’ types, if not just an absolute fuckin lib. What are you, some kind of martyr fetishist? The only activists you can get it up for got to have failed their movements and been re-subsumed by the Great Satan? China has never tried to surveil me. Never sent the feds to my home. Never made me worry about whether the next time I leave my house is when I get publicly lynched because the settlers aren’t house-broken anymore. Y’know who has done all that, though? Amerika.

      So nah, my solidarity’s with the activists working toward bettering this planet, regardless of how close they are with China. Never a State Department-controlled rag like the Times, or anyone who ups that garbage. Death to it.

        • m532
          61·
          10 months ago

          Socialdemocrats are imperialists who want a bigger share of the slavery loot.

        • ihaveibs
          73·
          10 months ago

          Damn thanks just filled in my bingo card with this one

        • Black AOC
          63·
          10 months ago

          And another thing…I’m not even remotely “anything but an AES state”.

        • Black AOC
          102·
          10 months ago

          debate pervert

          This isn’t debatable, cac. You bring no evidence of your claims other than ‘bro trust me’. As a matter of fact, what I remember out of china during COVID was the zero-COVID policy that saw the country locked down to a much stronger degree than Amerika until their cases had burnt out-- which hey, they did faster rather than letting a bunch of superspreader petri dishes move about the country!

          As for the most surveilled country, that’s a fucking laugh when I can’t walk through any city in this country and not pass by two dozen cameras a block from the storefronts to the street crossings. When people are getting pulled off Amerikan streets wrongfully because facial identification mis-identified them.

          As for the supposed ‘dragging people out of their homes’, that’s even more of a laugh in the age of no-knock warrants killing Afrikans in their beds-- but that’s all your people know how to do.

          Projection.

          • Alteon@lemmy.world
            213·
            10 months ago

            Your source is literally from China mate. No way that they’d have a pro-China viewpoint.

            Atleast mines from the UK: Source

            And they estimate that number to be over 540 million cameras nationwide…or around 373 cameras per 1,000 people.

            • LVL
              141·
              10 months ago

              Lmao “your source is from China so it’s not truthful, mine is from the UK, they wouldn’t lie or misrepresent facts about their official enemy”.

            • loathesome dongeaterAEnglish
              81·
              10 months ago

              From the report that the article cites.

              According to the data analysed by PreciseSecurity.com and collected by CompariTech

              Both companies are from the UK.

              As an aside, journalists for news organisations rarely do research on their own. More often they ingest studies done by other dedicated organisations and reproduce them in a form that appeals to their audience. When scrutinising news articles it’s good to see what the primary source is.

              • Alteon@lemmy.world
                28·
                10 months ago

                If we’re comparing US to China I tried to use a source outside of both countries. I’d expect it to massage the wording a bit on some stuff (especially in an effort to avoid making the UK look bad) but I would think that the numbers aren’t terribly off.

                Look, if we were discussing cameras in the UK. This wouldn’t be my go to source. I also dont want to use a Chinese source on Chinese surveillance…you know that they monitor what goes out of China…

                  • Alteon@lemmy.world
                    24·
                    10 months ago

                    Your first comment in response to mine stated that the US had more cameras per capita. I pointed out that your source was from a Chinese newspaper and provided where I got my source from.

                    We don’t like each other’s sources. I claimed that atleast mine was not coming from either of the two countries (US and China)

    • ihaveibs
      104·
      10 months ago

      So you call China “aggressive” yet are totally okay with the British controlling a colony halfway across the world? You really tell on yourself when you say shit like that, and you wandered into a non-liberal space where you will actually be called out on it.

    • ComradeChairmanKGB
      93·
      10 months ago

      what they’ve systematically done to the minorities of their country

      What have they done?

      their constant aggressive stances in the South China Sea

      The South what Sea?

      takeover of Hong Kong.

      Taking things over is when you get back territory previously seized by a colonial empire.

    • Red Wizard 🪄
      72·
      10 months ago

      Anyone practicing Socialist thinking is practicing a form of Marxism, in which Maoisim\Communism With Chinese Characteristics has its roots. So naturally, you are going to see ideological overlap between the two. Wouldn’t it be reasonably disingenuous to draw a straight line between someone’s Socialist and Anti-War points of view and whatever you imagine the Chinese government to be? To rephrase, wouldn’t it be disingenuous to attempt to paint someone who holds Socialist and Anti-War points of view to also be 100% Pro-China in all regards, good and bad?

      I’m trying to meet you where you are if it wasn’t clear. McCarthyism vilified people in support of strong labor unions, a belief that also has a shared lineage with Marxism, as agents of the USSR. This doesn’t feel that different to me. You have to be willing to accept a nuanced approach to these existing socialist states if you share any socialist points of view, otherwise, you are just upholding an unrealistic ideal that no one can ever actualize.

    • 陆船。
      72·
      10 months ago

      Okkkay kkkracker. Kkkeep dropping bombs on the rest of the world.

        • 陆船。
          51·
          10 months ago

          Everyday you wake up and decide to repeat imperial propaganda whose aim is war, you are no different than the people who want the war. What war have these imperial stenographers drummed up support for that wasn’t under false pretenses?

        • m532
          3·
          10 months ago

          Racism is when you participate in systemic oppression. Not when you get called cracker.

      • Alteon@lemmy.world
        412·
        10 months ago

        Christ almighty your so quick to label me as conservative because I’m not accepting of a Chinese form of governance? What in the entire fuck is going on right now?

            • ihaveibs
              93·
              10 months ago

              We aren’t accepting of people like you who have not read an ounce of basic leftist theory coming in and spewing buzzwords and acting like it is some sort of informed opinion. You clearly haven’t even read some of the most entry level shit like Manufacturing Consent or anything like that, you are incapable of having any sort of real discussion about these topics. We have theory and frameworks, you have pure ideology.

                • ihaveibs
                  72·
                  10 months ago

                  I literally just told you why you are facing resistance and why we are not engaging you on your bullshit

            • m532
              62·
              10 months ago

              Social democrats are imperialists