I was intending to start an communist organization masked as a normal company (communism is illegal in my country), my first goal to give workers a good working environment, and to pay them as high as I could.

At this time I’m still a student, so I asked my sister for funding. I told her that I want a different world that I live in currently, this didn’t affect me as I was well provided for which allows me to work independently as a writer. but there is still poverty and unemployment in the country, I constantly see poor people in the slums of the city. even worse, the pollution and lack of nutrition made everyone look unhealthy.

She have stated that she was a capitalist. but she’s my family, she always say that whatever I’m doing she would support it.

Well… she rejected my request, told me that she believes that I would “Destroy” her world I think she meant her own objective would fail, that it doesn’t make sense for her to support the opposing side.

not going to the details but so far she given me budget for my own projects. and she’s willing to give me more.

I’ve created alot of enemies now. My sister and I shared ideas for the better world. as eco-environmentalists. I realized that what we agreed on, supporting eachother no matter what doesn’t apply when the goal is socialism and when you’re a communist.

I also realized also that, her whole current objective, her products wasn’t anything eco-friendly. as a socialist now, I see that it was money all along. at least she told me she was going to do good after she’s done getting all the assets she needs, but I feel like there was no end to it. Though, I hope she stand by her own words.

So the question stands. in our capitalist world, should the proletariat be funded by the bourgeoisie?

  • T34 [they/them]
    3•3 years ago

    I was intending to start an communist organization masked as a normal company (communism is illegal in my country), my first goal to give workers a good working environment, and to pay them as high as I could.

    You’re getting a lot of great responses. I also suggest looking at Rosa Luxemburg’s critique of coops.

    Co-operatives – especially co-operatives in the field of production constitute a hybrid form in the midst of capitalism. They can be described as small units of socialised production within capitalist exchange.

    But in capitalist economy exchanges dominate production. As a result of competition, the complete domination of the process of production by the interests of capital – that is, pitiless exploitation – becomes a condition for the survival of each enterprise. The domination of capital over the process of production expresses itself in the following ways. Labour is intensified. The work day is lengthened or shortened, according to the situation of the market. And, depending on the requirements of the market, labour is either employed or thrown back into the street. In other words, use is made of all methods that enable an enterprise to stand up against its competitors in the market. The workers forming a co-operative in the field of production are thus faced with the contradictory necessity of governing themselves with the utmost absolutism. They are obliged to take toward themselves the role of capitalist entrepreneur – a contradiction that accounts for the usual failure of production co-operatives which either become pure capitalist enterprises or, if the workers’ interests continue to predominate, end by dissolving.

    The upshot is that the low pay and bad working conditions are dictated by the market, and any business you create would be forced through market competition to reproduce these conditions.

    Business profits are like 10%. You will need some of that to survive. So even if you’re willing to live in poverty, you can at most afford to pay your workers a few percent more or treat them a few percent better, but not both.

    • @EvelynOP
      2•3 years ago

      The upshot is that the low pay and bad working conditions are dictated by the market, and any business you create would be forced through market competition to reproduce these conditions.

      Business profits are like 10%. You will need some of that to survive. So even if you’re willing to live in poverty, you can at most afford to pay your workers a few percent more or treat them a few percent better, but not both.

      anything better is better for the people in my country, a few percent more is at least high enough for them to not struggle with their lives. especially because great numbers of people here are unemployed. hopefully that means more and more people will work for me. the remaining profits goes to the Marxism education program, to improve the organization and working places, and just enough for me to survive.

      I’m not experienced with entrepreneurship and leading groups. I have not much knowledge about the common struggles the proletariat have. I’ll read more into it, thanks for recommending that paper.