Which ones require people to go full reddit atheism and spit on old ladies for being religious?
if you wanna be this frank… Nobody doing this here? I don’t see any old ladies here. I see people pretending to be marxists while denying basic core of marxism which is dialectical materialism and trying to shut up the marxists with wild projections of “reddit atheism”.
Yes he does, which i try not to despite your post here being aggressive to me.
Multiple posts about religion relation to marxism are downvoted so unless those are bots we do have people thinking that religion do belong not only in communism, but in marxism. It might do belong in some primitive or anarchist communism, but i don’t want to have anything to do with such cultish version. That ended with scientific socialism.
Why do you think you get to state what the core of Marxism is?
This is silliest thing i read in a long time. As i noted, every successful communist party seems to rather agree with me than with you and with our resident fideists here.
On a base of works of such nonimportant reddit atheists like Marx, Engels and Lenin. Surely you did read such fringe pamphlets like “Anti-Duhring” or “materialism and Empiriocriticism”? Even in the very article which states that the communist party should not “spit on the old ladies” and with which i repeatedly agreed, Lenin goes absolutely straight about it, coming out as “reddit atheist” i guess:
The philosophical basis of Marxism, as Marx and Engels repeatedly declared, is dialectical materialism, which has fully taken over the historical traditions of eighteenth-century materialism in France and of Feuerbach (first half of the nineteenth century) in Germany—a materialism which is absolutely atheistic and positively hostile to all religion
This is what i had doubts about in GenZedong too. Problem goes like that: if the very base of marxism is so casually misunderstand or openly denied, this is not the same team as in “marxist” team. This is ML space, not big tent, i would expect people maybe arguing about finer points, new challenges and interpretations (especially according to material conditions, as ML’s should) but not its absolute core principle.
You keep making arguments that religion doesn’t belong in communism (which I agree with and haven’t said I don’t) while you’re glossing over the interpersonal issues.
You just admitted to downvoting me because you had personal issue with my comment. Good to know you agree with meritum. From my r/GZ experience, you just could not criticize religions there without flock of people dogpiling you and saying nonsenses like (actual quote) “you cannot be marxist without being religious” - so maybe i’m overreating, but when i saw the amount of downvotes on even the dryest statements - it’s the same look. At least people in comments here are on better level (except maybe one)
Actual communism is party work
Both. Work without theory or with wrong one is also erroneous and will lead to nowhere, as proven multiple times. Where i did negated need for party work? I even linked you Lenin article where he says just this.
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All socialist nations are revisionist except for Albania (They enforced state atheism) and the Soviet Union during Lenin /j
if you wanna be this frank… Nobody doing this here? I don’t see any old ladies here. I see people pretending to be marxists while denying basic core of marxism which is dialectical materialism and trying to shut up the marxists with wild projections of “reddit atheism”.
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Yes he does, which i try not to despite your post here being aggressive to me.
Multiple posts about religion relation to marxism are downvoted so unless those are bots we do have people thinking that religion do belong not only in communism, but in marxism. It might do belong in some primitive or anarchist communism, but i don’t want to have anything to do with such cultish version. That ended with scientific socialism.
This is silliest thing i read in a long time. As i noted, every successful communist party seems to rather agree with me than with you and with our resident fideists here.
On a base of works of such nonimportant reddit atheists like Marx, Engels and Lenin. Surely you did read such fringe pamphlets like “Anti-Duhring” or “materialism and Empiriocriticism”? Even in the very article which states that the communist party should not “spit on the old ladies” and with which i repeatedly agreed, Lenin goes absolutely straight about it, coming out as “reddit atheist” i guess:
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This is what i had doubts about in GenZedong too. Problem goes like that: if the very base of marxism is so casually misunderstand or openly denied, this is not the same team as in “marxist” team. This is ML space, not big tent, i would expect people maybe arguing about finer points, new challenges and interpretations (especially according to material conditions, as ML’s should) but not its absolute core principle.
You just admitted to downvoting me because you had personal issue with my comment. Good to know you agree with meritum. From my r/GZ experience, you just could not criticize religions there without flock of people dogpiling you and saying nonsenses like (actual quote) “you cannot be marxist without being religious” - so maybe i’m overreating, but when i saw the amount of downvotes on even the dryest statements - it’s the same look. At least people in comments here are on better level (except maybe one)
Both. Work without theory or with wrong one is also erroneous and will lead to nowhere, as proven multiple times. Where i did negated need for party work? I even linked you Lenin article where he says just this.
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You seems to missed the target of your post and started quite rudely at me.
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I guess we both have our exceptions then.
Sorry, I forgot that I should lick the boots of the religious institutions, serve them, or I would be granted with a fedora and a katana.
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Wait, let them answer
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I will not give the name of the party I’m on, like, wtf, AFTER ALL THIS!?
I told you, after Wednesday. And I was not being ironic.