According to the reporting a 13 year old girl was raped and murdered. They found semen in her, it was tested, diagnostics indicated the perpetrator was of a certain Kurdish origin. They did this, got a DNA match of a brother, later acquired a used cigarette from the man and it was a match.
While I’m deeply uncomfortable with capitalist police powers because of tendency for abuse this is a pretty clear case where I’m very glad the guy was caught because this is a monstrous type of violent predator who deserves the worst.
So this wasn’t unprovoked racial profiling or anything like that if the reporting is accurate.
In a socialist state in the high stage honestly I think keeping everyone’s DNA from birth and using it for rape and murder cases would be completely appropriate. I would be against it in a capitalist state obviously as these people perpetuate racism, and traffic children for the capitalist class and such a thing’s primary use now would be crushing workers.
Yeah tech like this ultimately is science so it should be utilized by us, all it does is point closer toward the truth and that should be celebrated and incoperated as a technique, as in practice it will likely also be used to free a lot of people who where convicted by racial or class bias. Like you said its systemic the issues with the police and criminilziation in a neo-liberal society.
I think the means are justified in this case because there is no harm done to the Kurdish community. The operation was not masqueraded as a medical test, so at worst Kurds in Canada will avoid free samples and surveys.
The other commenter also mentions that there was a reason for the racial profiling (the semen in the girl’s body was of Kurdish origin). So I think the police’s operation was justified as an appropriate use of their available means.
Because the police definitely 100% for sure deleted all the genetic data for the 149 innocent people and definitely didn’t just add it to a million government databases
I am not saying this move was worth it or not. I actually don’t know about that. But if you have the DNA of one person you also have on average half the DNA of their siblings, children etc. and so on. Don’t let the number fool you into thinking that there aren’t more potential victims of this overreach.
Maybe, but some actions the police takes because there is no alternative will do that. Wiretaps, false arrests, dna testing, infiltration etc all erode public trust but it can’t be helped sometimes.
I don’t know how a rape case like this can be solved without DNA testing. Maybe if there were surveillance cameras everywhere, the criminal would’ve been caught in one of them, but then we’d have the issue of a massive surveillance - capitalist- state.
Suspects in such cases have been successfully identified long before DNA testing became a thing right. Police can establish relationships, interview people, and so on. The DNA testing should be the last step of confirmation once there’s sufficient evidence that points to likely suspects.
You should mention that they didn’t do it preemptively, but to arrest someone involved in a rape case.
While the racial profiling is iffy, maybe they had reasons for this? For example, the crime happening in a Kurdish-dominated neighborhood.
If you guys disagree with this, how would you like a socialist police deal with the case?
According to the reporting a 13 year old girl was raped and murdered. They found semen in her, it was tested, diagnostics indicated the perpetrator was of a certain Kurdish origin. They did this, got a DNA match of a brother, later acquired a used cigarette from the man and it was a match.
While I’m deeply uncomfortable with capitalist police powers because of tendency for abuse this is a pretty clear case where I’m very glad the guy was caught because this is a monstrous type of violent predator who deserves the worst.
So this wasn’t unprovoked racial profiling or anything like that if the reporting is accurate.
In a socialist state in the high stage honestly I think keeping everyone’s DNA from birth and using it for rape and murder cases would be completely appropriate. I would be against it in a capitalist state obviously as these people perpetuate racism, and traffic children for the capitalist class and such a thing’s primary use now would be crushing workers.
I missed that when reading the article, makes me believe even more that the operation was not a mistake.
Yeah tech like this ultimately is science so it should be utilized by us, all it does is point closer toward the truth and that should be celebrated and incoperated as a technique, as in practice it will likely also be used to free a lot of people who where convicted by racial or class bias. Like you said its systemic the issues with the police and criminilziation in a neo-liberal society.
The ends do not justify the means here. There are procedures police can follow to solve murder cases that don’t involve racial profiling.
I think the means are justified in this case because there is no harm done to the Kurdish community. The operation was not masqueraded as a medical test, so at worst Kurds in Canada will avoid free samples and surveys.
The other commenter also mentions that there was a reason for the racial profiling (the semen in the girl’s body was of Kurdish origin). So I think the police’s operation was justified as an appropriate use of their available means.
Because the police definitely 100% for sure deleted all the genetic data for the 149 innocent people and definitely didn’t just add it to a million government databases
I’m not sure about no harm done. The police now have the complete DNA of an entire minority neighborhood.
This is a disadvantage of the operation, I agree. But 150 people are hardly a neighborhood.
I am not saying this move was worth it or not. I actually don’t know about that. But if you have the DNA of one person you also have on average half the DNA of their siblings, children etc. and so on. Don’t let the number fool you into thinking that there aren’t more potential victims of this overreach.
The harm is done by the precedent this creates, and such action erodes public trust.
Maybe, but some actions the police takes because there is no alternative will do that. Wiretaps, false arrests, dna testing, infiltration etc all erode public trust but it can’t be helped sometimes.
It hasn’t been demonstrated that there was no alternative here.
I don’t know how a rape case like this can be solved without DNA testing. Maybe if there were surveillance cameras everywhere, the criminal would’ve been caught in one of them, but then we’d have the issue of a massive surveillance - capitalist- state.
Suspects in such cases have been successfully identified long before DNA testing became a thing right. Police can establish relationships, interview people, and so on. The DNA testing should be the last step of confirmation once there’s sufficient evidence that points to likely suspects.