Remember when you had the 2nd International, huge marxist parties like the SPD in Germany, all saying they would never support an imperialist war and were true marxists, and then when WW1 began they all sold out and supported the war? Good times. Very few, like Vladimir Lenin, Rosa Luxembourg and Eugene Debs, remained true to marxism and opposed the war. Well i think a similar situation is happening now with the SMO in Ukraine.

From “democratic socialists” to MLs to maoists to anarchists, they all said they would never support US imperialism, they would never support a new Iraq WMD lie. And yet, when the SMO began and the west started demonizing Russia and beating the drums of war, most of these ostensibly “leftist” figures, especially western figures, sold out and supported the antirussian histeria. From BreadTube to YoungTurks to maoists like Marxist Paul to anarchists, they all sold out. Even some principled MLs like Second Thought and Hakim have shied away from condemning this war histeria and supporting Russia. I think this will be the collapse of the 2nd International of our era, the new divide between true antiimperialists and sellouts.

What are your thoughts?

  • ☭CommieWolf☆
    31•2 years ago

    I agree on most points here. When push comes to shove you see people’s true colors. Now we have a better idea of who the principled leftists are and who have been drinking the kool-aid.

    But I think Hakim and Second thought have avoided discussing the SMO because they tend to focus more on Marxist education, and are primarily trying to get a platform for themselves to reach a wider audience.

    If you’ve ever tried discussing the Ukraine situation with a lib they will immediately shut you out and refuse to listen, since its such a current and actively propagandized issue. I have no doubt that once its over and some time has passed, and the curtain falls, we’ll see them discuss it much more openly.

    • @sudojonz
      25•2 years ago

      they will immediately shut you out and refuse to listen, since its such a current and actively propagandized issue. I have no doubt that once its over and some time has passed, and the curtain falls, we’ll see them discuss it much more openly.

      Oh boy! I just love dealing with that shit AFTER it’s too late to stop it. Then all the libs will be like “I never supported the war, I supported the Ukrainians. Sloba Zucchini!”

      • ☭CommieWolf☆
        22•2 years ago

        The worst is when you attempt to talk about any sort of politics and the conversation always winds up in the Ukraine, regardless of what you try to discuss. Its like they’ve been programmed to spread their nonsense on top of blindly believing it.

        • @sudojonz
          18•2 years ago

          Sigh…so true. At this point we might as well refer to them as Missionaries of Empire.