I’m curious as to how many people here have aspirations of moving to a socialist country, and think that they can succeed. If so, which one would you move to?

Finally, do you think it would be more beneficial to the communist movement if communists in the west moved to already socialist countries?

  • @TeethOrCoat
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    23 years ago

    That’s nice to know comrade but I was referring to the topic we had last time, which was on the aftermath of the left’s ousting from the Labour party. What’s the left been up to recently, especially considering the circumstances you laid out so brilliantly above?

    • @Shaggy0291
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      23 years ago

      Ahh sorry, I thought you were referring to the overall situation. No effective change in Labour except the purge has intensified. Labour has haemorrhaged it’s left wing membership in a controlled cull by the party rightists. CLPs (local labour groups basically) all over the country have found themselves gagged by party insiders, with anyone voicing disapproval over the suspension of Jeremy Corbyn or the current trajectory of the party being binned off. They’ve also marginalised their union support, and Keir Starmer has openly courted corporate donors in an effort to squeeze out the last of union influence over the party. No one’s biting however, as their political interests are already very well represented by the conservative party, who are in power with a strong majority. In essence, the rightist putsch has just enfeebled Labour, it has lost swathes of members with the enthusiasm to canvass come election time and now even alienated the unions, a major pillar of financial support. For all the right wing efforts to purge the leftists from the party, polling seems to indicate their share of the vote remains effectively unchanged, and they still trail the Tories.

      • @TeethOrCoat
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        23 years ago

        OK I get that Labour is purging but what exactly is the left doing in response? New parties, new orgs, what?

        • @Shaggy0291
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          03 years ago

          My party, the worker’s party, has grown at a clip since it was founded last year. We have over 4000 members now and over 70 party branches. We’re scooping up quite a lot of former labourites, especially in the so called “red wall” in north England. I’m in the south, which is Tory country, but I’ve picked up some interest. George Galloway’s media profile has worked wonders to promote us, with things like MoaTs pulling in interest.

          • @TeethOrCoat
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            13 years ago

            Is the party a DSA style big tent where the membership requirements are loose and people aren’t required to be communists? Is it closer to a socdem worker’s party like in many countries or is it going to be like the WPK?

              • @TeethOrCoat
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                23 years ago

                While being totally opposed to discrimination on grounds of race, sex or sexual proclivity, we declare that obsession with identity politics, including sexual politics, divides the working class.

                What do you think of this, given the UK’s reputation as TERF island?

                OK, now that I know what it’s about, what are the short term goals? Get elected? Get more members? Education? Like I know why the party started, I know the vision of the party, I just don’t know what it actually does.

                • @Shaggy0291
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                  23 years ago

                  What do you think of this, given the UK’s reputation as TERF island?

                  It’s a situation I’m not wholly comfortable with, but I do know that identity first politics is incompatible with Marxism on a fundamental level, especially on the matter of cultural hegemony and the fundamental economic basis of society. We stand for mutual respect and reject any notion that people can be refused a voice in our organisation or otherwise attacked because of a particular characteristic that idpol proponents take issue with, such as their being white. We likewise expect the same level of respect for people of other backgrounds. We’re egalitarians, we stand for universal rights and mutual respect. We won’t tell someone they don’t deserve a right to a respectful discussion of any issue on the basis of their skin colour, sexual identity, etc no matter who they are. We’re of the mindset that we cannot build a movement by talking down to people or treating them as anything more or less than our equals. We are Marxists and dialectical materialists and that is our party ideology.

                  OK, now that I know what it’s about, what are the short term goals? Get elected? Get more members? Education? Like I know why the party started, I know the vision of the party, I just don’t know what it actually does.

                  I’m a branch sec myself. All kinds of activities are underway, the most important of which is laying down links with all kinds of other orgs such as ACORN, SaveourSchools, RentStrike etc in order to be directly connected with actual political struggles on the ground, as opposed to only engaging in narrow political contests for local and national government posts. While we also offer political education for our active membership and do have targets in our areas for local politics, we’re not yet at the stage in my area where these are the most important party activities. We cannot develop the political consciousness of the working class until they’re aware of us and we’ve won their trust as a mass. A large part of that is cross-promotion and aid to a variety of causes, to build up an actual, significant base. I’ve personally been involved in eviction resistance, pickets, pamphleteering, postal work etc fighting for a variety of struggles… I wanted to also try and secure a commission for political art for agitprop purposes, but that’s still a ways off for the time being. I’m also on board with a long term electoral plan for local politics in my area, which involves us wooing a bunch of established Labour councillors that were kicked out as a part of the wider party purges to run on a WP ticket. All parts of our work connect with each other, hopefully culminating in a political machine capable of contesting wards in the areas we’re established.

                  • @TeethOrCoat
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                    23 years ago

                    I’m a branch sec myself. All kinds of activities are underway, the most important of which is laying down links with all kinds of other orgs such as ACORN, SaveourSchools, RentStrike etc in order to be directly connected with actual political struggles on the ground, as opposed to only engaging in narrow political contests for local and national government posts. While we also offer political education for our active membership and do have targets in our areas for local politics, we’re not yet at the stage in my area where these are the most important party activities. We cannot develop the political consciousness of the working class until they’re aware of us and we’ve won their trust as a mass. A large part of that is cross-promotion and aid to a variety of causes, to build up an actual, significant base. I’ve personally been involved in eviction resistance, pickets, pamphleteering, postal work etc fighting for a variety of struggles… I wanted to also try and secure a commission for political art for agitprop purposes, but that’s still a ways off for the time being. I’m also on board with a long term electoral plan for local politics in my area, which involves us wooing a bunch of established Labour councillors that were kicked out as a part of the wider party purges to run on a WP ticket. All parts of our work connect with each other, hopefully culminating in a political machine capable of contesting wards in the areas we’re established.

                    Damn, that’s some good fucking praxis right there. All the best for your political goals in the year ahead, comrade, and thanks for the good answers! You’ve been very patient.