• JucheBot1988
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    Everything Baerbock says is like a lib retread of WWII Nazi propaganda

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      Not just her. Much of the current German leadership, and especially the Greens, seem to have a generational vendetta against the Russians and are dead set on a rematch on behalf of their Nazi grandfathers wherein they hope to take revenge for their former defeat and humiliation by comprehensively reversing the result of WWII. Seriously, German tanks with iron crosses on them and entire brigades with SS insignia and even giving themselves German names fighting yet again against Russians on the steppes of Ukraine? Is this deja vu?

      You gotta admit the parallels are pretty suspicious. Nowadays they have the EU and NATO to force all of Europe into their anti-Russian crusade, last time they had the Reich that also raised soldiers from pretty much every European nation and sent them to the Eastern Front (and despite later protestations many of the soldiers from those nations were at first fairly enthusiastic about their participation and bought into the Nazis’ narrative that they were “defending Europe from the Bolshevik hordes”). Now they send tanks and missiles, “instructors” and “volunteers”, how long until they officially send troops?

      And the sad part is they have already kind of half succeeded in reversing the outcome of the last world war. They managed to reverse the liberation of most of Eastern Europe and bring it back under a German dominated and increasingly centralized political entity in the EU (with the only difference being that the EU and the Germans themselves are mere subjects of the larger US empire), they have basically restored Reichskomissariat Ostland in the Baltics, Nazification included, and they hope to add Ukraine and Belarus in the future to their restored Reich as well. And their plans to “decolonize” aka balkanize Russia are also eerily similar to the plans that Nazi Germany had.

      You can’t blame the Russians for thinking that for some weird reason Europe decides to unite against them and try to destroy them every century or so. Before the Nazis they had to deal with Napoleon’s pan-European army invading them, and not too long after that the British, French, Austrians and Italians all teamed up to attack them in the Crimean War. Oh and before Napoleon you had the Swedes under Karl Gustav try to invade, dismantle and destroy Russia but ending up getting their asses handed to them at Poltava and losing their own empire shortly afterwards.

      And somehow Europe never seems to learn the lesson that you should never get into a land war with Russia because it will not end well for you…well…not unless you are the Mongols, but nowadays the West paint the Russians as “barbaric asiatic hordes”.

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        And the sad part is they have already kind of half succeeded in reversing the outcome of the last world war

        They did it in 1991. It’s not about whether Europe is dominated by Germany or not. It is about capitalism controlling Europe (and Euro bourgeoisie having access to resources they need to make the line go up).

        And their plans to “decolonize” aka balkanize Russia are also eerily similar to the plans that Nazi Germany had

        Look at the numbers of people who died in the 90’s. Yeah.

        You can’t blame the Russians for thinking that for some weird reason Europe decides to unite against them and try to destroy them every century or so

        This, however, sounds oddly like a Russian nationalist talking point. The conflicts are not borne out of some mythical “clash of civilizations”. It’s economy. Russian territory is in the sights of colonization, because that is what feeds the capitalist system. Same reason Americas were colonized, same reason India got colonized. In fact, same reason Russia colonized territory east of Ural!

        should never get into a land war with Russia because it will not end well for you…well…not unless you are the Mongols

        I understand that this is meant to be a joke, but can we please do away with that fuckin narrative? There wasn’t even a Russia when the Mongols arrived, it was a bunch of feuding duchies, that were more than eager to throw each other into the grinder and ally with the invaders if that meant getting ahead. Coz you know, that’s how feudalism works. Meanwhile, Mongols were a veritable empire. You don’t mock the Germans for getting steamrolled by the Rome, now do you?

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          Sorry to nitpick, but you probably meant the Gauls/France getting steamrolled by Rome. They could never manage to conquer the Germans.

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            They could never manage to conquer the Germans.

            I seem to remember a lecture by Michael Parenti where he pointed out that, towards the end of the Empire, a lot of the Germanic tribes had evolved a higher stage of production (feudalism) than the Romans. In other words, the “barbarians” who conquered Rome were in some ways more advanced than the Romans with their outdated and inefficient slave state.

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              The “Barbarians” were often defined by simply being “not Roman,” similar to how the modern west describes other nations as “uncivilised” simply because they aren’t western enough.

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          What I meant was not that i subscribe to that Russian nationalist talking point, of course i understand that there are real material causes for such conflicts, i simply meant that I can understand why some Russians would think that way.

          And yes the Mongols comment was meant as a joke, i’m sorry if it came across as offensive. I would however argue that Russia did indeed exist at that time already, it had already existed as an ethno-cultural-religious if not always politically united entity since the time of the Rurikids and the Kievan Rus.

          Just because it was disunited and fractured does not mean it was not still Russia. Russia was also disunited when the Polish invaded during the Time of Troubles. China was also at various times in its history fractured, disunited and infighting, but it was still China.

          Anyway this is a mostly pedantic/academic disagreement and i don’t want to get too far off topic.

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    Meanwhile she is very much for blocking russian exports, like fertilizer…

    Meanwhile the US just destroyed 14 million tons of maize and reduced its agricultural exports.

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      just destroyed 14 million tons of maize

      What for?

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        If the price is too low it’s not worth selling, it’s preferable to destroy it to lower the supply and increase the price again.

        That’s capitalism for you in a nutshell.

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        Overproduction. They could’ve given it to the World Food program, but nah.

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      According to ukronazis they burned themselves, so that’s doesn’t count

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    The German Democratic Republic (also known as East Germany) was better

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    I was under the impression that the vast majority of Ukrainian grain goes to the West; that only something, like 3%, of grain were exported to Africa.

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    Do they mean that the Western European authoritarian regimes will create more starving people globally if the economy of the free-riding oligarch suffer? The NATO force African people into starvation through mass ‘donation’ of food into regions with little to no starvation to force the local farmers into bankruptcy. How about the mass food pollution that the Western European diaspora are outsourcing into Africa or the free riding, debt trapping from ‘foreign aids’, and ‘humanitarian’ intervention to support authoritarian governments?

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      create more starving people globally

      Pretty sure they already have

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    I’m pretty sure the “Deutsche Bank” hasn’t stopped betting on rising global food prices since 2013.