Gene Pasquet :emacs: (@etenil@emacs.ch)
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#mastodonsocial and #lemmyml are both blocked however

Funny if true.

  • kbal@fedia.io
    491·
    6 months ago

    As the comment there says, the surprise is that not every instance is blocked yet.

    But I’ve seen hardly any Chinese on the fediverse, so they probably don’t care that much. And it’s not just that I’ve stuck to the English-speaking parts, there’s been lots of Japanese and various European languages. I suppose even if it otherwise would have a chance to catch on there, Chinese users know that if it did it quickly would get blocked.

    • ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world
      112·
      6 months ago

      I’ve only seen Taiwanese on Mastodon, especially as they’re leaving Twatter due to Chinese bot activity.

    • Daz@lemmy.mlOPEnglish
      102·
      6 months ago

      Wouldn’t they just use a VPN? I know they’re technically illegal in China but from what I’ve heard lots of people still use them regularly.

      • Ademir@lemmy.eco.br
        238·
        6 months ago

        VPNs are not illegal in China. And one can use it to circumvent any restrictions.

        • Socsa@sh.itjust.works
          163·
          6 months ago

          Non-approved VPNs used to circumvent the great wall are absolutely illegal, though largely tolerated (and observed), but the authorities can and have used them as an excuse to bring people in.

          Source: have actual been to China and played the whole “which VPN will work on which network” game many times.

        • Hotzilla@sopuli.xyz
          61·
          6 months ago

          I assume all vpn services accessible from china are run by government and they monitor the traffic

      • kbal@fedia.io
        4·
        6 months ago

        I’m sure lots of people do, it’s a big country. But for the vast majority I imagine that the risk of getting in trouble for it, plus the risk of the one you paid for getting successfully blocked, plus the difficulty of finding out which ones are allowed to operate only because they share all your data with the authorities, plus the cost, plus the usual difficulties in finding a good vpn outweigh any desire to communicate freely with foreigners.

  • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
    5411·
    6 months ago

    I imagine that the dynamic here is reminiscent of the western media’s self-censorship. Western journalists learn to conform to certain standards and topics because they understand what kinds of articles are more likely to be published and advance their careers. This is largely influenced by the preferences of media company owners and advertisers, creating a selection pressure for content producers to conform to these expectations.

    In contrast, in China, censors strive to identify potentially politically sensitive content and tend to err on the side of more aggressive censorship. This is due to the understanding that being overly cautious in such matters will not result in negative consequences, encouraging a more conservative approach to content regulation.

  • deadcream@sopuli.xyz
    283·
    6 months ago

    Please, someone tell comrade Stalin Xi that this is all just a terrible mistake!

  • Sims@lemmy.ml
    6339·
    6 months ago

    The Western ‘free’ population is one of the most information censored/restricted populations in the world, and yet they are flabbergasted that China and many many other nations won’t allow propaganda from western oligarchs into their country. It doesn’t matter that an information firewall is the single most important military defense against the Capitalist information war. That’s btw why the western world are propagandizing their population for ‘free speech’, so we all can see that wevil China don’t want free propaganda, sorry, speech.

    The most amazing and Incredible is how hateful attitudes can be bought for a few propaganda dollars in the western for profit information market. So western people actually believe all the hateful things the western oligarchy says about China (and ALL the other enemies of the oligarchs).

    How convenient and completely coincidental that the western population have the same opinions about nations and world leaders as the top elite… Could it be that… nooooo… no no… Western news are the BEST, and no Capitalist elite would lie about something like that to their own population, oh no no…

  • Aria
    171·
    6 months ago

    It’s because China needs help using Emacs. Lemmy needs to rebrand to a Vim learning resource.

  • AMillionNames@sh.itjust.works
    206·
    6 months ago

    Any social networks that have non-censored participants are. Usually, China’s presence in social networks outside of its borders are for propaganda purposes.

    • Amerikan Pharaoh
      13·
      6 months ago

      More like strangulated by libs who need to move back to .world. Iunno how dessalines or nutomic tolerate some of these mfs.

    • Beanson@lemmy.ml
      137·
      6 months ago

      I made an account a long while ago when it was the only instance with any content but I’m just a lurker looking for memes and tech news. Feeling like I should change instance these days…

    • Daz@lemmy.mlOPEnglish
      4139·
      6 months ago

      If you mean communists that support capitalist states like China, then yes, unfortunately. Better than being around nothing but liberals or anti-communists though.

        • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          2410·
          6 months ago

          It totally is. Not by your pet definition maybe but millions of wage workers and stock markets say otherwise

          • Amerikan Pharaoh
            101·
            6 months ago

            dbzero techbro who calls themselves a “libertarian socialist”

            Okay, I can confidently ignore your geopolitical takes. Settler wind.

            • Omega_Haxors@lemmy.mlEnglish
              5·
              6 months ago

              Vaush proved that “libsoc” is just a more socially-acceptable way of identifying as a pedo.

              EDIT: apparently they instance banned me 4 months ago for “pedojacketing, fashjacketing” which is an extremely revealing choice of language.

              • Amerikan Pharaoh
                3·
                6 months ago

                Either a nonce or a horsefucker, if their streamer-daddy’s any meterstick to measure by

          • Omega_Haxors@lemmy.mlEnglish
            5·
            6 months ago

            Aren’t you that guy who argued with your own community and played the victim over the use of AI art because you didn’t want to accept you were being an insufferable AI techbro who doesn’t understand consent? Like I’ve seen trolls flex more to criticism than you did there.

            EDIT: Wondered why they didn’t respond and. Holy shit I just looked at the modlog for dbzer0 and you can’t make this shit up Banned me for reason: pedojacketing, fashjacketing

            So you ARE a pedophile-nazi. Fucking love to see it. I will be adding your instance to my block list. If you see this: get help.

        • Daz@lemmy.mlOPEnglish
          107·
          6 months ago

          What a depressing view of “socialism” you have.

      • Alsephina@lemmy.mlEnglish
        1918·
        6 months ago

        Used to mean someone who would support sending in tanks to crush capitalist rallies like in Hungary (which most people who get labelled “tankies” these days obviously don’t), but nowadays it’s just an anti-communist term for anyone that supports any socialist revolution that has successfully built a socialist nation.

          • Alsephina@lemmy.mlEnglish
            2412·
            6 months ago

            All states are inherently “authoritarian” and enforce certain principles over others. What matters is if those principles materially prioritize workers over capitalists, which socialist states do.

            You can’t create a stateless, classless communist society from capitalism without a transitional socialist state that breaks the monopoly on force and propaganda that capitalist states have — specially in a world ruled by capitalist superpowers like the US which constantly coups and invades non-capitalist states. Thinking otherwise is just delusional and utopian.

            No non-capitalist state will survive in the modern world if they don’t sufficiently get rid of propaganda and deal with capitalist funded insurgencies, which capitalist states will label as “authoritarian”; they’d immediately be coup’d and overthrown by imperial core countries otherwise, as many socialist states have (Chile, Libya, etc).

            And regardless, socialist states are a massive improvement over capitalist states when it comes to “authoritarianism” anyway, same as most other metrics. The US has 0.8% of its population in prison for example, while China has 0.1%. Similar stats on most metrics for the USSR vs USA; socialist Russia’s human rights were also far better than capitalist Russia’s, obviously.

  • delirious_owl@discuss.online
    3322·
    6 months ago

    Why would State Capitalists allow discussions about actual communism? God forbid he people get it into their head to form trade unions…

    • GarbageShoot [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
      274·
      6 months ago

      I can’t quite tell if this is a parody, the trade union bit makes it seem sincere, but the self-importance to think that lemmy is too left for China to allow is just amazing.

      • delirious_owl@discuss.online
        33·
        6 months ago

        What? I stand with the Chinese people against their oppressors. Criticism of an oppressive State is not criticism of its victims.

        • CloutAtlas [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
          14·
          6 months ago

          …how often do you interact with Chinese people? Whenever I go back home to Wuhan I don’t really see much oppression happening.

        • axont [she/her, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
          121·
          6 months ago

          almost no one in China feels that their state is an oppressive force, they feel the opposite. The government has more than a 90% approval rating. The overwhelming majority of Chinese people view their society as legitimate and socialist. If you had any interest in democracy at all you’d respect this perspective instead of imposing your own

            • LesbianLiberty [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
              41·
              6 months ago

              She’s literally correct; studies from even anti-Chinese partisan sources can’t help but find that satisfaction with the government is overwhelming. While you treat anti-imperialist movements like this sitting from your home in the imperial core, you’re not a revolutionary or helping anybody build towards anything better, you’re an active hindrance. Feel free to imbibe the actual opinions of people in China so you can understand the conditions there and not just your cracker conditioning. It’s not perfect, but overthrow would be far; far worse.

        • Amerikan Pharaoh
          6·
          6 months ago

          What? I stand with the Chinese people against their oppressors. Criticism of an oppressive State is not criticism of its victims.

          Said the anglo, eagerly parroting his three-letter-agency masters with his hands on his pearls and a breathless huff to his diction. I have never seen such eager catamites for fuckin genociders in my life; is this what living in Weimar Germany was like?

    • Socsa@sh.itjust.works
      1718·
      6 months ago

      To be fair, .ml bans you pretty quickly for discussing anything outside of a pretty narrow stripe of Marxist Leninist orthodoxy as well.

      • octopus_ink@lemmy.mlEnglish
        212·
        6 months ago

        I don’t consider myself a Marxist, Leninist, or communist of any stripe and haven’t had a problem so far. I’m far enough left that I refuse to call myself a liberal, but I suspect the folks who consider themselves Marxists probably think I’m too far right to self-identify as a leftist. (Although I do.)

        Shitload of downvotes a time or two, but that’s about it. I just wanted to be on a Lemmy instance that was honoring the fedipact, and preferred it to have an instance ethos to the left of mine rather than to the right of it.

        I like it here.

          • Amerikan Pharaoh
            73·
            6 months ago

            You believe in “russian disinformation assets”, like hell you are lmfao. Y’know what, let’s go for a walk.

            Russia may try, but it’ll never erase Ukraine nor the fact Ukraine made Russia.

            No, they’re not. Populism as a whole is a horrible political strategy which benefits only a few members of the political class.

            Because it takes away the puppet Russia has been building and nurturing this whole time.

            There’s an easy way to end this war: either kill Putin or have Putin resign.

            If by “core” you mean “civilized world”, yes.

            Your words; not mine. You are no Marxist. You are a western chauvinist, a genocidal settler, and so terminally, neoliberally treat-brained that I expect you to keel over after you’ve been fed chocolate.

            What a trail of receipts, my boi. There’s at least one of you every season.

            • octopus_ink@lemmy.mlEnglish
              4·
              6 months ago

              Honest question from a non-communist, based on your reply here. Does one need to support Putin to be a Marxist?

              • davel [he/him]@lemmy.mlEnglish
                8·
                6 months ago

                In a word, no. In a few more words, support for Russia (not Putin, as historical materialists don’t subscribe to great man theory) is only a partial, temporary, tactical one, in the context of imperialist liberation. Russia is still a capitalist state, though, so it’s a two stage strategy: first liberate colonized bourgeois states from colonizer states, and second revolution within those liberated bourgeois states.

                Russia is an interesting case: it has already liberated itself from the post-Soviet “shock therapy” neocolonizers. This occurred during Putin’s administration, which is why he is especially hated by the US. So now the support for Russia is in the context of keeping the colonizers from recolonizing it, and supporting Russia to the extent that it helps other states liberate themselves. But Russia isn’t trying to “liberate” Ukraine, at least not all of Ukraine. It’s trying to resolve the genocidal attacks on the people of the Donbas, and it’s trying to resolve the imperialist military expansion at its border.

              • Amerikan Pharaoh
                61·
                6 months ago

                Hardly; I’ve never known actual communists who uncritically supported that man. It’s always critical support, at best– which is to say, he may do some things correct, but he’s still an absolute affront to what came before, and honestly a problem Amerika themselves created. Advocating for wanting to kill a man in the midst of denazifying a NATO-backed neighbor, out of self-defense from NATO encirclement though; that’s beyond the pale, as is everything else I’ve found regarding that member’s carriage.

                • octopus_ink@lemmy.mlEnglish
                  5·
                  6 months ago

                  Fair enough. I don’t believe this is what is happening (“denazifying a NATO-backed neighbor”) and haven’t seen a source suggesting it is that doesn’t itself look like propaganda, but I’m also OK agreeing to disagree on that. I asked only because without further context it seemed like not supporting Putin was a big component of your comment.

                  I understand your position now, even if we disagree on Putin also.

              • Aria
                4·
                6 months ago

                You don’t need to support Putin to be a Marxist, him and Russia are deserving of a lot of criticism, but it’s maybe a little suspicious if someone sees everything happening geopolitically right now and consistently chooses to focus their anger towards Russia.

                To be honest when I read Supavillain’s quotes my first reaction was also 'So they don’t like Russia, who cares?", Ukrainian national identify exists, if Russia annexed western Ukraine they wouldn’t be able to erase it. Non-principled populist politicians do always suck. And Russia would’ve loved (I assume this is about) Donetsk PR to have been their puppet.

                But then those last two quotes are pretty bad. Killing Putin or even having Putin do a 180 wouldn’t change anything. He’d just be replaced. And the poor countries are no less civilised.

                • octopus_ink@lemmy.mlEnglish
                  2·
                  6 months ago

                  But then those last two quotes are pretty bad. Killing Putin or even having Putin do a 180 wouldn’t change anything.

                  Assassination is never something I advocate, but there are a few world leaders who I would not complain about if natural causes could catch up to them sometime soon.

                  Thanks for the additional info and feedback. 🙂

        • Echo Dot@feddit.uk
          1112·
          6 months ago

          So you are saying that you ban anyone that wants a intelligent conversation and mildly disagrees with you?

          Fortunately logic and reality are not really things that dictatorships really all that interested in. So I guess carry on.

            • Amerikan Pharaoh
              51·
              6 months ago

              It’s debatelord behavior. Performance of colonizer norms mores (got the term wrong) for the adulation of rest of the genocidal settler masses at the expense of every subject-of-empire whose neck bears that invader’s bootprint.

            • Socsa@sh.itjust.works
              45·
              6 months ago

              I can just look at the modlog and tell that conversations about oppression are only allowed in one direction

                • Socsa@sh.itjust.works
                  43·
                  6 months ago

                  Meh, I’m not the one aggressively trying to shut down any conversation which doesn’t go hard enough on ML fan service. I actually came to .ml at first hoping to find a more academically oriented leftist community which was willing to engage with topics other than “let’s relitigate the cold war.”

                  You are obviously free to dismiss any criticism of this community as “NATO chauvinist propaganda” or whatever, just as im free to roll my eyes and say that the world deserves a better class of socialist.

      • CloutAtlas [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
        3·
        6 months ago

        Slight nitpick(a)

        You wrote 西 (xī) which means west. You probably meant 习 (xí), referring to the president.

        Also in “Without the Communist Party, There Would Be No New China” you wrote 金 (jīn) which means gold, when it should be 就.

    • Amerikan Pharaoh
      1·
      6 months ago

      God I hope Big E’s gonna be alright after the bullshit that happened to his neck

  • theblueredditrefugee [she/her, fae/faer]@hexbear.net
    3·
    6 months ago

    Can confirm, I just checked. When I first moved to China hexbear wasn’t blocked but it is now. Lemmygrad is still unblocked though

    Oh, and a fun fact - I know of a few porn sites that you can view in China without a VPN 😆

    • Omniraptor@lemm.ee
      2·
      6 months ago

      So you can still participate on wider lemmy by finding or spinning up your own instance?