• Zuzak [fae/faer, she/her]@hexbear.net
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    Your employer

    Oh good, my right to not get murdered is now tied to my job! If I quit or get fired, I could get shot in the fucking head and nobody would give a shit! That sounds fucking awesome! spongebob-i-fucking-love

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      If I did not want to get murdered, I would simply contract with the Houthis to shut down the Gulf of Adan until the killing stopped

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      Even from a capitalist standpoint, who would take the risk and try to start a small business in that context? Hell, who would work for a small business if monopolies are rewarded and Peppino’s Pizza can’t afford to arm its staff with AR-15s?

      They’re more naive than the strawman of us “We will legalize crime and suddenly no one will ever do anything bad and we’ll all sing kumbayah now that no one is ever told what to do!”

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      Well, the only barrier of going from unemployed to “”“private cop”“” in Ancapistan is owning a gun and having nothing to lose, so that tracks.

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        That’s interesting observation. Because how private is “private”? If i get a gun and rob someone because i selfemployed as a cop and that robbed dude clearly infringed on my freedoms, so i can just impose a legal fine on him and it’s not even a robbery then, right? What if that dude then hire two guys with a guns or come at me with his brother and they are also legally employed as “right enforcers” because he contest the fine i imposed upon him? Won’t that just mean that the might is right and the gangs law enforcements agencies will push up the selfemployed from the market (and into the river with bullet in head or concrete shoes)? And what if one of such agencies monopolise the market and can interpret the “rights” as they please?

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          Yeah, I mean that’s basically how states form in the first place. The Ancap answer on how to avoid this would probably be (in theory) to have a population that wouldn’t go along with it (this is part of how the Ancap -> fascist pipeline works, they end up wanting an ethnostate where they can kill leftists and other “undesirables”), or to simply assert “that wouldn’t happen” (contrary to all of history). In practice, if an Ancap project devolved into that they would simply declare that it’s not real Ancapism.

          The ideology is extremely detached from reality and it’s adherents believe in bizarre principles with absolute faith. Many in the cult explicitly reject the idea that historical or empirical evidence could falsify their beliefs. I think my favorite of their brain-meltingly stupid arguments is: “The fact that we’re having this discussion instead of physically fighting proves that you already accepted the Non-Aggression Principle” which is the most smuglord thing I’ve ever heard in my life. They are, without exception, debate perverts.

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        Yankee libertarians love to imagine their first-principals social experiment, completely oblivious to the fact they’re blatantly reenacting parts of early colonial history in suburban New Hampshire.

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            …oh shit, I just assumed they’d have given up by now and conceded to real organizing. What do they expect will happen when the more aggressive sorts of bears and large predators take notice?

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        This literally happened in medieval Silesia, where it was so politically fragmented* that the toll colections turned into nightmare and stifled local trade to the point of many interventions from their theoretical suzerains.

        *Peak was when the Oświęcim (yeah the same place where Auschwitz camp would later be) duchy which counted something along 3 very small towns and maybe 20 villages got fragmented into three duchies of Oswięcim, Toszek and Zator - but all three were still officially duchies and their rank was theoretically equal to places like Saxony, Normandy or Bavaria.

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    So when amerikkka balkanizes inshallah which states are going full ancapistan? There are some obvious answers like Texas or Florida, but what are the wildcards? Delaware? Georgia?

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      Ancapistan can only ever be a temporary thing. A monopoly on violence will always form and whoever has a monopoly on violence becomes a defacto government. Power grows out of the barrel of a gun.

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        Texas ancapistan : everything instantly get bought by Chinese billionaires, the CPC nationalizes their capital, Texas becomes part of communist China

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      I’ve been saying this for a while. Texas would immediately sell its government to the Sinaloas or whatever other cartel wins the auction. The whole libertarian Texas pride thing that the billionaires put on is theater. The exact moment that Texas balkanizes and loses the dollar, everyone with a high enough net worth will instantly leave and then sell the coast to Saudi Arabia, and then everywhere else to cocaine cartels.

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      Honestly they’ll probably be some weird incoherent version of state that is christofascist mixed with libertarian. You’ll have laws enforcing their religion but also rent-a-cops on every corner.

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    Considering the last ancap post here, I honestly can’t tell if this is a meme making fun of ancaps, or an actual unironic ancap meme.