Had the Sino-Soviet split never happened, the USSR would still be with us and the US empire would’ve already been made toothless.
Does this make you feel angry towards China for deciding to split?
I am more mad at the Corn Man, there where lots of dissions he mad that caused China to feel like they needed to split. for instance pulling missiles out of Cuba without consulting Cuba …
But why the fuck did China had the feel to train the Afghans and give them weapons tf
I never said China was blameless… and honestly, they also hold lots of blame for trusting the US … and thinking the US could be held to its word … and … I have no reason I can think of for why that would be a good Idea … none at all
Would the US trust them with their manufacturing otherwise?
I don’t know if they had to cooperate with US imperialism just to fool them, though
Corn man wasted his time trying to make peace with America and being nice to it instead of trying to make peace with China
Dumbest move in the 20th century after
Literally cannot think of a bigger diplomatic OOF
One of the worst events of the 20th century. Neither side was totally blameless, one had ultra-leftist deviations and the other had rightist deviations. But it wasn’t anything either couldn’t recover from if they worked through it, especially aligning their foreign policy.
Instead the US empire had free reign to overthrow every leftist movement in both hemispheres. They should not have been able to get away with everything they did, esp in SE Asia.
Do you think that Mao fucked everyone up by aligning with the USA against the USSR?
It’s very unfortunate and feels like it should’ve been avoidable, especially since China ended up following the USSR’s path of economic reforms and peaceful coexistence with the West. Mao had some pretty bad takes like on nuclear war, funding the Khmer Rouge, Lysenkoism, and the whole “continuous revolution” thing. But of course a lot of the blame also goes to Khrushchev. Imo the right line is that leaders like Stalin and Mao were necessary to safeguard the revolution and eliminate the horrible, unimaginable conditions that the people lived under before they came to power - but once that job is done, then the material conditions call for a more relaxed approach. But unfortunately, neither side saw it that way, and the result was irreparable damage to relations, which broke down trade and harmed lots of people from both countries. Nowadays, China plays nice abroad without caring much about the ideology of their trade partners, and it seems very stupid all around that two Marxist states couldn’t work things out.
It’s kind of a funny psychological phenomenon that people sometimes get more mad at people who broadly share their worldview but disagree about one thing, than they do at people who just don’t share their their worldview at all. I think to an extent the split is attributable to that, but I’m not really an expert on it.
But why side with the USA against the USSR though? That was a betrayal to the global proletariat.
My thoughts are that Krustchev was a piece of shit who betrayed the revolution and set USSR on the course for collapse.
Opinions on Kruschev feels like it could be a whole thread. Maybe even this whole thread.
(I haven’t done enough reading on Kruschev, but he allows you to exhaust a curse card every turn and he waves corn around)
Absolutely agree comrade don’t blame Mao in the slightest to seek distance from him
Most idiotic thing that happened in history, fuck the corn man!
We’d have global communism by now if it didn’t happen.
But it is not just that singular event. It is the general tension and wariness between socialist countries during the 20th century that was fatal.
But why did China decide to align to thr USA? The worst socialist is still leagues better than the best capitalist.
against it
I think that might be the other way around, Khruschev might have sinked both nations
Those texts from Mao somewhat illustrates my concerns https://youtu.be/w-e2veazbKc?si=Gnke24cs0zbVAudh
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regretable but inevitable with the chauvanism the soviet union kept engaging in and the ideological instability khrushchev caused with his anti-stalin campaign which would give room for capitalist roaders to take over and destroy the party from within. its sad people will always blame china for not abandoning its five principles of peaceful coexistence and making itself subsurvient to the soviet union while it moved to surround china and also refuse to help north korea. maybe one day they’ll open their eyes. I myself will never forgive the soviet union for agreeing to partition palestine, being the first country to recognize the zionist occupation, stalin being best buddies with david ben-gurion, and having czechoslovakia send them arms
I lean more towards the China side because Khrushchev basically alienated the second biggest socialist state.
