• stasis
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      2 years ago

      the patsoc movement has to be an op to make marxism-leninism (and just communism in general) look bad

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        Call them by their correct name: social-chauvinists. Lenin Faced this problem a century ago, we’ll face this problem for a century more.

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          The fact that they even think they are following in Lenin’s footsteps would piss him off. Fucking embarrassing. It has already taken far too long for many leftist parties to even get to the point of supporting what was very directly stated in the original USSR constitution with regards to liberation of all peoples. So for these pretend socialists/communists to keep trying to undo the progresses made is beyond evil to me at least.

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      I tried watching some of his “debates” on his channel, and at first I thought it was either a joke or I literally had no idea what socialism/communism even is. Same goes for a lot of the folks in the r/EuropeanSocialists sub (lots of identical vibes and aggression). Haz couldn’t go more than a few mins without just exploding with the type of rage shit I would expect from someone suuuuper deep into steroids. Even if the person he was attacking was trying to calmly answer or ask clarifying questions. Would cut them off and keep calling them a “CUCK removed!!!”. He even seems to really and truly like/respect Ayn Rand and and seemed to think of her Objectivism as being close to (or compatible with) socialism/communism. Though I do say this based on at least one vid he posted at some point where he was responding to people in his live chat. So I might be only slightly off on that, but he did seem to speak of her as being positive. Which gives me an idea as to how little the whole Infra group would like to actually help humanity. Much like folks in the r/EuropeanSocialists subs care more about defending machismo hetero normative bullshit and not wanting to help bring up oppressed groups like the LGBTQIA+ community in any official way. Keeping stereotypical mindsets of “what makes a man a man and a woman a woman” and get mad if someone suggests getting past all that shit.

      Some small bits of the idea of being proud of your nation is understandable if used correctly and not at the exclusion of others being less than. But the PatSocs want to keep focusing on nationalism above all. And they never try to even frame it as building a society to be proud of, but instead seem to fall on the MAGA style exceptionalism shit that is based on whitewashed tall tales of the history of the US. They just also talk positive of the USSR. I feel like PatSocs would unironically be the pigs in Animal Farm and be super proud of it. They defend Nazbols real firmly and that shit goes completely against the goal of true internationalism. It is more like they are just fascists that just can’t accept that they are fascists. They seem to fully support right-wing demonstrations/protests, and go out of their way to defend those demonstrations/protests against leftists. Material conditions do lead to those folks taking whatever actions that are being tried, but it doesn’t mean those right-wing folks are correct or even actually pissed at the right parts. They (the right-wing) are mad about stuff, but then they go back and vote for the same grifters that lead to the shit pissing them off. Just fully falling inline with the stuff without knowledge based on hearsay and not facts. Blindly supporting the right isn’t going to change their minds, and WILL lead to real believers in leftism being harshly oppressed like so many times before. Kind of like the alt-right LGBTQIA+ folks that think they are actually seen as being in any way equal to the cis majority of the alt-right. At best they are tolerated for the moment, and will be absolutely next in line to be taken out. The media savvy right-wing folks know they have to give a certain amount of support in order to build power. Just like how the folks in the Nazi SA were super helpful to the cause up until they weren’t needed.