• Mongostein@lemmy.ca
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      8 months ago

      You know who has total power to end this war? Putin. Just get the fuck out of Ukraine and it’s over.

      There’s really nothing to negotiate.

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        This suggestion is shit that totally has a chance of happening and isn’t just idealistic pie in the sky cope from seething natoids. /s

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          Putin’s “solution” has been to give him what he wants to stop his invasion. This is how bullies, terrorists, extortionists and facists “solve” problems they create. If you agree with that solution then you’re one or all of those too.

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            If you’re going to misuse the term “fascist”, at least fuckin spell it correctly. Jesus, and this is supposed to be a representative of the ‘greatest empire on earth’ but ain’t none of its settlers are literate.

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              Nothing of what you said is relevant to the situation in Ukraine.

              I swear Putin removed are THE most brainwashed “model” citizens that live in dictatorships, parrot the same state/military propaganda and what-about everything they do onto their “enemy” countries.

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        They literally were negotiating at the start of the war for this exact outcome: Russia pulls out and Ukraine maintains neutrality.

        Johnson threw a wrench in those plans.

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          Sorry what? You’re blaming Boris Johnson for this now?

          One person has the power to put an end to this: the person who started it. Putin.

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            I’ve seen this Boris Johnson argument several times on here and never once seen anything even remotely approaching a convincing explanation of what leverage Boris ever had to do this. Like a deal for a white peace with Russia was on the table and Boris somehow twisted Zelenskyy’s arm into fighting by threatening to not send weapons that wouldn’t be necessary if there was peace anyway?

            • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
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              It’s an idiotic straw man to claim Johnson had some personal leverage over Ukraine. What’s actually being said is that Bojo was delivering the message from NATO to Ukraine that if they accepted the deal then NATO would not act as their guarantor and they’d be left on their own.

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          Do you still believe the UK is the empire where the sun never sets?? How the F would the UK even be able to influence these events.

    • katy ✨@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      or because all putin has to do is stop invading ukraine. he doesn’t get to invade and then negotiate to keep part of the place he invaded

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        That’s literally how all negotiations work. Hostage negotiations - you take hostages and then negotiate for benefits in exchange for release. War negotiations - you dominate a space and then negotiate for benefits in exchange for ending violence. Unless you’re the USA, where you dominate a region after the majority of forces are already defeated and then when someone tries to negotiate their surrender you nuke 200k civilians.

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          Unless you’re the USA, where you dominate a region after the majority of forces are already defeated and then when someone tries to negotiate their surrender you nuke 200k civilians.

          Damn when did that happen?? Sounds truly awful

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        he doesn’t get to invade and then negotiate to keep part of the place he invaded

        Are you at all familiar with any history at all? How do you think such treaties usually go? Or did you think borders spent the last couple millenia shifting mysteriously without reason?

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          The wider international community has largely rejected wars of conquest as legitimate in modern times.

          The exact same argument could be applied to Israel and e.g. the Golan Heights, but I don’t think you’ll find that to be a particularly popular position.

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            The wider international community has largely rejected wars of conquest as legitimate in modern times.

            The international community in question:

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            Are you so naive to think that Yugoslavia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and even the 2013 coup in Ukraine were not acts of conquest of the US empire? Perhaps you’re correct that the wider international community has rejected acts of conquest, but this certainly doesn’t include the USA, who is quite literally a rogue state.

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      Bad take. Why negotiate with an aggressor who is literally invading and trying to absorb a neighbor. You would be rewarding that behavior and Russia gets to stop their unpopular war at the same time.

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        Smooth brain take. You can’t negotiate unless there are stakes on both sides. Why are you people so daft?

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          I meant Russia.

          Nobody’s keeping them there but them. Blame whatever boogieman you like - it’s their soldiers in someone else’s borders.

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            No blame here! I’m just stating a fact that the United States doesn’t want this war to ever end. It has a material interest in keeping Russia bogged down as long as possible. This is true regardless of whether you blame Russia or not.

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                I understand who controls Ukraine’s army and government and who tells them when they’re allowed to negotiate.

                I’m not talking about blame. I thought I made that clear.

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                  What you’re doing is blame whether you call it that or not.

                  There is nothing to negotiate. Russia invaded and can fuck off at any time. It is entirely up to them.

                  And nobody told Ukraine not to negotiate. Russia asked America. America is saying: ask Ukraine.

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                    If you refuse to negotiate then you get the obvious result. Stop being idealistic. The result of not negotiating a s the war continues. Period.