Thousands of purveyors of neo-Nazi tunes just had their day ruined by a crew of enterprising Scandinavian anti-fascists.

Thousands of purveyors of neo-Nazi tunes just had their day ruined by a crew of enterprising Scandinavian anti-fascists.

  • aseriesoftubes@lemmy.world
    1454·
    10 months ago

    I love that some of these idiots used their work email addresses. I wonder if Full Care landscaping out of Louisville, Kentucky cares that their VP of Operations is a neo-nazi?

  • dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net
    1112·
    10 months ago

    Man, far right websites all seem to have shit infosec as a common thread along with racism and other assorted bigotry.

    • tourist@lemmy.world
      1001·
      10 months ago

      “Just because you listen to them doesn’t make you a neo nazi! Free speech is dead!”

      - HitlerFan1488 with a roman statue avatar

      • Cowbee@lemm.ee
        261·
        10 months ago

        There are legitimately people here arguing that just because you don’t understand the language, you probably aren’t a fascist for liking clearly fascist music that you have to work hard to find, especially if you don’t natively speak the language.

        • MiltownClowns@lemmy.world
          71·
          10 months ago

          Maybe they just vibe with hate and the fascist imagery is a comforting reminder of their favorite message boards? Just because the only music you listen too is made for Nazis doesn’t make you a Nazi. You being a Nazi means you enjoy Nazi music. Not exactly causation but nearly a one to one correlation. I don’t know what I meant by this. I started with a joke and now I’m just arguing logic semantics. This is a mess. I’m sorry, hitting post anyway though.

          • Cowbee@lemm.ee
            3·
            10 months ago

            Hahaha, I gotchu. On an individual basis, it’s totally possible that a Japanese person may genuinely stumble upon it and like it purely for the tunes. At an aggregate, it becomes increasingly obvious that there are tendencies that lead people out of traditionally popular Japanese music and into obscure northern European Nazi music.

        • Rufus Q. Bodine III@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          10 months ago

          First you just Luke the music, soon you’re hanging out with other fans, and suddenly you discover one day that you have become a #nazi.

      • gramie@lemmy.ca
        31·
        10 months ago

        I was listening to a podcast that suggested the main reason the Nazis wanted to kill Jews is because they felt that the rise of Christianity, originating among the Jews, was what weakened the Roman Empire and caused it to crumble.

        For their own empire, modeled along Roman lines, they didn’t want the same thing to happen.

        • banneryear1868@lemmy.world
          41·
          10 months ago

          Hitler hated Christianity for its worship of meekness, weakness, a dead man, etc, but used it very well politically. Nazi leadership ranged from full on Christians to pagan weirdos. Jews were associated with Bolshevism, and their hard antibolshevim especially appealed to people who had emigrated to the Weimar Republic during the Russian revolution. Communism and unions were the first targets and how they wedged themselves in to power in the first place. Hitlers first major political victory was the concordat with the Roman Catholic church, promising freedom of religion. In the late 30s Catholic pulpits were ordered to recite a condemnation of Hitler for betraying the concordat. The Nazis implemented a Christian denomination and sent pastors and priests who didn’t comply (many did of course) to the camps. One of these was the famous poet who wrote the “first they came” poem, at first a Hitler supporter who recanted when it was too late, like many of them.

          They had all kinds of weird views about Aryans, a very fluid and subjective category in practice, and the history of Aryans. There were archeologists tasked with digging up the magnificent history of the Aryan race etc. Some people like Japanese were honorary Aryans etc. Down to weird specific traits of people based on the false premise of race being a real thing.

      • casual_turtle_stew_enjoyer@sh.itjust.works
        64·
        10 months ago

        This was sort of my reaction after seeing this again while looking for something new on Lemmy:

        Just because you listen to rap about drugs and murder doesn’t mean you actually do drugs and murder. Nor does it necessarily mean the artist does, it could be their persona.

        But I also know nothing of the band or their music, so idk whether anyone that listened to them would automatically be a hardcore Neo-Nazi or just an eccentric metalhead. Just like I don’t know rap, so I myself can’t pass judgement and it just feels weird to see others do so, I guess I can assume they are more informed than myself.

        • Infiltrated_ad8271@kbin.social
          334·
          10 months ago

          The paradox of tolerance is about absolute/unlimited tolerance. One can set limits on tolerance and respect the human rights of the intolerant, it’s not mutually exclusive.

          Btw, the combination of “X people don’t deserve human rights” and “those who don’t support taking rights away from X are equal to X” is especially atrocious.

        • Melllvar@startrek.websiteEnglish
          2·
          10 months ago

          There’s no paradox if you look at it as a social contract. If you don’t uphold your part of the contract (tolerating others) then you aren’t entitled to benefits from the contract (being tolerated by others).

        • Ookami38@sh.itjust.works
          1618·
          10 months ago

          The tolerance paradox is bullshit. Source: Daryl Davis, the black dude who converted a ton (like over 80) KKK members by just being a tolerant human to them.

          You have to tolerate the person, not the message. You can say “you’re a valid human being” and “the stuff that comes out of your mouth is actually terrible” at the same time. Doing anything else pushes all of those valid humans with bad ideas together and makes a big echo chamber.

          • andxz@lemmy.world
            1312·
            10 months ago

            He didn’t say we should just say gas them to death (like they’d do to some of us in a heartbeat), he just pointed out they deserve no right to be aggressive against minorities.

            I see no issue there. If they want to be decent citizens there’s an easy solution to that; stop being a nazi.

            Edit: I otherwise agree with your comment, as they probably need some deprogramming to actually achieve said solution.

            • Ookami38@sh.itjust.works
              57·
              10 months ago

              “they’d do that to us in a heartbeat” is both wrong (not every person who entertains these ideas actually wants to kill anyone) and also not even a good point. If you want to improve the world noticeably, you have to be BETTER THAN not the same as. Go talk to a nazi, actually understand what they think and feel, and figure out where that disconnect is.

            • Meowoem@sh.itjust.works
              715·
              10 months ago

              So you’re saying for example a woman gets brought up in an environment where she’s raised as a nazi you think that it’d be acceptable for someone to rape and beat her?

              I don’t really think you do, I’m not going to bother listing other examples but you get the point - what you’re saying is not only absurd but it’s clearly not what you actually believe.

              All people are people, it’s that simple and there’s no more to it.

              • andxz@lemmy.world
                61·
                10 months ago

                No, I was saying Nazis have a history of death and destruction, while people leaning towards democracy tend to be a little more gentle with their fellow man.

                Nobody deserves to be beaten or raped and I certainly didn’t imply that.

                • Meowoem@sh.itjust.works
                  42·
                  10 months ago

                  You literally said they should have no rights, I get that you hadn’t thought about what you were saying but I really think it’s important to think about the implications of things we say.

                  I’d link that clip everyone always uses about the law Vs satan but it’s overused, surfice to sau dehumanising humans isn’t a thing good people do - and yes I know it’s popular to at the moment but when I was a kid everyone thought calling things gay as an insult was a great thing and we as a society grew from that so we can grow from this.

              • Ookami38@sh.itjust.works
                52·
                10 months ago

                The first sentence you posted is exactly the thread that line of thought leads down. Disenfranchised people need to be talked to, met with empathy from the people they’ve been told are The Other. That’s the only way to destigmatize the two from each other.

    • Mateoto@lemmy.world
      321·
      10 months ago

      Scary. The one I found from my city is a medical doctor with a good reputation. Fucking Nazis hiding good.

      • jopepa@lemmy.world
        161·
        10 months ago

        The one from my home town wound up in prison for 4th degree arson. Burned down his own house by accident.

        • Deceptichum@kbin.social
          18·
          10 months ago

          Second guy I’m looking up has already been doxed by some racist-metal site removed that he was selling pirated copies of their CDs on eBay.

          • jopepa@lemmy.world
            15·
            10 months ago

            Good to remember the enemy of your enemy isn’t always your friend. Sometimes it’s best to sit back and enjoy their self destructive little happenings

    • Rodeo@lemmy.ca
      51·
      10 months ago

      What are the legal implications of doxxing a person here? I can think of a few people I’d like to slap on that list, but it doesn’t seem risk free for me.

      • jopepa@lemmy.world
        131·
        10 months ago

        Fucking with nazis is never risk free, but not fucking with them is much riskier

      • jopepa@lemmy.world
        43·
        10 months ago

        Congratulations! This is only a directory of nazi punks and edgelord book clubs, really. Don’t get complacent, vote.

          • jopepa@lemmy.world
            31·
            10 months ago

            Nazis and white supremacists get a footing in government because they organize and vote. If the general population gets complacent and doesn’t vote then nazis poof into seats of power and influence. So what are you trying to say here?

    • rab@lemmy.ca
      2·
      10 months ago

      A few in my small city but can’t find anything about them

  • Amaltheamannen@lemmy.ml
    533·
    10 months ago

    AFA Sweden stands för Antifascistiskt Aktion, or Antifascist Action. Not Stockholm based as they claim, there are many groups.

    Great job in leaning Midgard, they also regularly doxx Swedish Nazis on their main website.

  • notannpc@lemmy.world
    433·
    10 months ago

    The only good nazi is a dead nazi. Gotta love how tech illiterate fascists are.

  • mob@lemmy.world
    373·
    10 months ago

    I don’t know shit about this band/this type of music… is it actually the kind of music that only Nazis would listen to?

    Like, if someone leaked a Pantera fan list, I guess I wouldn’t be on the wagon to ruin all their lives, even though Pantera is pretty well known for racism, shouting White Power and Nazi sautes n shit.

    https://www.theguardian.com/music/2023/jan/26/pantera-shows-cancelled-after-frontmans-nazi-salute-prompts-fan-backlash

    if you didn’t know about Pantera

    • RinseDrizzle@midwest.socialEnglish
      191·
      10 months ago

      Such a fucking shame learning about great music being made by terrible folks. Sooooo many rockers with controversy, be it racism, underage groupie fucking, or otherwise.

      Thankfully there’s no shortage of really talented people making awesome music these days. May need to dig around a bit, but my Spotify is an absolute labyrinth of more tunes than I can possibly get through. I’ve had to make annual playlists for every sub genre I’m into just to attempt to keep my archive manageable.

      • damnyouclouds@sopuli.xyz
        3·
        10 months ago

        Yep. Lot of bands you’d like to support, to buy their music, later find out they are damn bigots, nazis, whatever asswipes you can find. Especially in the metal scene. Makes me sad

    • littlecolt@lemm.ee
      161·
      10 months ago

      This makes me incredibly sad.

      Edit: seriously tho. I never wanted to believe the band members were racist or anything. The song Rise was always my go to to show people how inclusive they wanted to be. “Taught when we’re young to hate one another, it’s time to have a new reign of power. Make pride universal so no one gives in, turn out backs on those who oppose”

      I always thought that song especially was saying “we must not hate one another. We must all be proud of who we are and turn our backs on those who continue to hate.” I may need to do some deeper thinking about it all. I have not listened to them in many years. Dimebag dying legit hurt.

    • penquin@lemm.ee
      72·
      10 months ago

      Damn it. Why did you have to make me aware of this? :/ I love Pantera.

    • zach@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      11·
      10 months ago

      Did you have a follow up question or was my explanation of what doxxing is sufficient?

      • OurToothbrush@lemmy.mlM
        13·
        10 months ago

        Why do you think nazis getting doxxed is a reason to report it? Are you under the impression we care about nazis being doxxed here?

        • zach@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          1·
          10 months ago

          According to the article, activists are already using the information to further their research. So, it’s not out of the question that innocent people’s information was released after buying material from this site for research. Doxxing is also not legal in every jurisdiction, which can lead to legal repercussions for the doxxer and the platform that hosts the information. It also encourages retaliation, which potentially puts the community at risk.

          A report is just that, a report. I sent a heads up that this post contained doxxed information. If the mod team is not concerned by it, it’s obviously within your power to ignore my report. If you needed more information, it would have been easy to send a PM rather than trying to make some kind of statement by asking publicly.