u/LeftConnoisseur - originally from r/GenZhou
u/porkslow - originally from r/GenZhou
It’s Czechoslovakia 1968 all over again.Yeah, Russian Federation isn’t communist by any stretch of imagination but you probably don’t want to side with NATO and Azov nazis either.
Anyways, I appreciate the GenZedong position on the Ukraine crisis. Even if there are sometimes extreme positions that amount to non-critical support, it’s a good thing that there is a place on Reddit that doesn’t uncritically accept all the propaganda coming out of Kiev and its NATO allies. It’s great to have alternate viewpoints that are skeptical of the dominant narrative.
Sometimes that means that people are posting Russian propaganda but I think it’s up to each individual to look at information coming from all sides of the conflict and make their own conclusions. Call me a centrist all you want but I believe that the truth is somewhere in the middle.
u/Milbso - originally from r/GenZhou
Also you can be damn sure that the ration of bullshit to reality in genzedong is far, far better than virtually any other political sub. Of course we won’t be right 100% of the time but we do way more due diligence than subs like worldnews and politicsu/FaustTheBird - originally from r/GenZhouEven if there are sometimes extreme positions that amount to non-critical support
Sometimes that means that people are posting Russian propaganda but
Why is it acceptable for oo-rah marines to use racial slurs and celebrate the murder and rape minorities abroad as normal discourse but unacceptable for a portion of a group of radicals to sometimes provide uncritical support to a minor world power?
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[removed]u/Euromantique - originally from r/GenZhou
We’re not a «Nazi country» one ever said that) but the government sure does carry out policies that Nazis love. Banning minority languages and communist parties is the actions of an ultranationalist government.Z
u/Leviation_ - originally from r/GenZhou
Those communist parties you speak of have connections to Russia. Russia is trying to form a puppet regime to reduce the legitimacy of Zelensky’s government. So its pretty understandable. Zelensky bans them because they have ties to russia, and therefore they are potential collaborators.Also since when did Ukraine ban minority languages?
u/Bruh081817463 - originally from r/GenZhou
the 2019 law “Law on Supporting the Functioning of the Ukrainian Language as the State Language” they banned minority languages in education, business, politics, books, newspapers, television and radio, healthcare, NGOsu/Leviation_ - originally from r/GenZhouLaw on Supporting the Functioning of the Ukrainian Language as the State Language
- Persons from among indigenous peoples and national minorities of Ukraine shall also be guaranteed the right to study the native language of the respective indigenous people or national minority of Ukraine at communal secondary general education institutions or via national cultural societies.
- At the request of occupational (vocational), professional pre-higher and higher education seekers, educational institutions provide opportunities for learning the language of the indigenous people or national minority of Ukraine as a separate discipline
u/cardinalbug - originally from r/GenZhou
It’s not just Azov tho, there’s a bunch of others like Praviy Sektor, Torpedo and Aydar just to name a few.As for the parties, it’s interesting how Zelensky banned 11 parties, but Svoboda isn’t one of them.
Idk man a lot of this looks like something Nazis would do.
u/Leviation_ - originally from r/GenZhou
Zelensky banned 11 parties for having ties to Russia. They are collaborators. Thats why they were banned.
u/NvMe_24 - originally from r/GenZhou
from the discord:We here at r/GenZedong are Communists. This is the primary position all our moderators have, and we hope, a vast majority of our userbase has as well.Communists are anti-war. The saying “no war but class war” doesn’t exist for no reason. We are not “pro-Russian”, but pro-peace and anti-imperialism. We hope for the conflict to end as soon as possible, and we hope for it to end diplomatically. This is a basic stance the mod team has stood unified behind for weeks.Unfortunately, it seems that much of our userbase has forgotten this basic stance of communists, essential as it has been to the movement for over a century. We must encourage all communists to remember our roots as a movement; Peace, land, and bread was the leading slogan of Lenin and the Bolsheviks, and we would do well remember this. We do not advocate for Russia, or for Ukraine, but for the working people of both states, the people harmed by this war.As communists, we would do well to remember that Russia is not our friend. A useful situational ally, perhaps, but no comrades of ours. They are not communists, merely conservative nationalists from a state opposing the west. Their desires are not the same as ours, even if our short term objectives may sometimes align. Their state media are not mouthpieces of our movement, but of their government, and it would be a great error for us to forget this.Ukraine and Russia are both bourgeois states, each lead by nationalists and kleptocrats, seeking to exploit their people. In war between bourgeois states, the correct stance is revolutionary defeatism; seek the defeat of your state in order to create the conditions for a revolution.
Unfortunately, the administrators have a point in quarantining our subreddit for misinformation; Indeed, we of the mod team have had to remove several highly upvoted posts for being outright fabricated, which is unfortunate. Going forward, we hope our users will do better in vetting the sources of their posts.Going forward, we will be removing posts supportive of the war in Ukraine, along with posts from sources of questionable veracity. It is our hope that, perhaps, the subreddit will survive this quarantine.- The GenZedong mod team
later another mod on discord posted this
Since it seems that RedstarXtreme has decided to be a child about this, he has gone and demodded me from the subreddit. Every single moderator voted in favor of this statement except for him. It seems we are no longer affiliated with r/GenZedong
u/LeftConnoisseur - originally from r/GenZhou
What about the subreddits’ position?u/NvMe_24 - originally from r/GenZhou
here is redstarxtreme’s message about ithttps://www.reddit.com/r/GenZedong/comments/tluuv5/genzedong_moderator_statement_on_the_quarantine/
there are a decent number of people who also agree with redstarxtreme equally so honestly its best that you take a read in the comments section
on the subreddit as a whole i cannot say, but the general census is that nobody wants the community to split into a hundred factions and libs are now having the time of their lives saying “told you so that this will happen! you’ll just break down into tiny groups!”
u/JDSweetBeat - originally from r/GenZhou
The reason for this split is so g*ddamn fucking stupid. These stated positions are vague to the point of literally not even being f*cking contradictory. It’s so infuriating that some mods have decided to ignore democratic consensus and split the community.Like, holy shit, if the Discord mods are being honest here (no reason to doubt them given that RedStar hasn’t apparently bothered to issue any response to the claims of the Discord mods), how much of a fucking irredeemable narcissist do you have to be to ignore consensus and split the sub?
u/The_Monocle_Debacle - originally from r/GenZhou
Nobody elected mods to run a Vichy sub on its death bed
u/honeyfuckles- - originally from r/GenZhou
Would you happen to know some of the highly upvoted misinformation posts?u/The_Monocle_Debacle - originally from r/GenZhou
Misinformation now means “runs contrary to the accepted western imperial narrative” not anything to do with actual evidence of veracityu/Wiwwil - originally from r/GenZhou
When the west believes blindly Snake island, the ghost of Kiev and many other bullshit from their media, it can’t be more trueu/The_Monocle_Debacle - originally from r/GenZhou
Yeah it’s literally just “bad information” as a value judgementu/DoktorElmo - originally from r/GenZhou
Tbf snake island and ghost of kyiv were both later corrected in the MSM (at least the ones I read).u/Wiwwil - originally from r/GenZhou
Doesn’t matter, the damage was done and they never got censored for misinformation. It always goes one side.
u/Graf_zur_See - originally from r/GenZhou
“Misinformation” lmao. I was banned for 7 days from the sub for that, because i cited a Western source about the US Intelligence claiming the Russians lost 7k soldiers. Where the FUCK is that “Misinformation”?! For me it seems like either the mods want to drag the oncoming ban on to allow more people to switch to Lemmygrad (hopefully) or they want to wash the backs of the admins, in order to get the sub back. Either way: “Misinformation” my arseu/applejuice72 - originally from r/GenZhou
Yeah this is totally just a front to keep things moving for now. I dont think I saw a ton of spread of purposeful misinformation as I saw so much of just information being thrown out. We live in an age of information warfare. Information is a currency and a commodity in and of itself. There really is no such thing as misinformation so long as it is blatant or patently false.As a platform that is run by alphabet groups with ties to the uhhh cardinal direction group that represents a military alliance who if you mention that specific connection you get the bloody axe from reddit (which I recommend keeping hush hush with the upmost importance) their version of “misinformation” is just whatever runs against the narrative of the West itself.
So with that said, there wasn’t a lot of things that were 100% verifiably disproven, just not things that were “state-approved facts and narratives” being promoted in GenZ. So idk who wrote that hunk of garbage and I saw things with my own two eyes that can never be taken away nor shown to be “misinformation.” Sure yeah Russia is managing their own propaganda war, but they aren’t making “Ghost of Sevastopol” claims and nor are they engaged in total warfare on that scale in Ukraine.
u/Tashathar - originally from r/GenZhou
I’m sure the Russian government is doing something, but considering there’s no “glorious war” shit from the Russian side (that I saw) and Kadyrov is seemingly posting half the footage that’s out there, they doesn’t seem to be waging information warfare.
u/NvMe_24 - originally from r/GenZhou
no idea, haven’t seen them myself since im not too active this past weeku/BreadDaddyLenin - originally from r/GenZhou
only one I can think of is posting like, literal staged PR videos from Russian militaryu/roosterkun - originally from r/GenZhou
I think a huge reason for the quarantines are the posts about biological weapon labs in Ukraine that were almost completely unsubstantiated.u/SaddamHussein24 - originally from r/GenZhou
Unsubstantiated? The US literally admitted to having biolabs in Ukraine LOLu/roosterkun - originally from r/GenZhou
There’s a difference between a biolab and a biological weapons facility.u/SaddamHussein24 - originally from r/GenZhou
Oh right, the US DoD is funding 20+ biolabs studying dangerous pathogens like Anthrax and botulin in a foreign country engaged in a civil war and ruled by neonazis, but its all for medical research, trust me bro.u/roosterkun - originally from r/GenZhou
Do you have a source for the active study of Anthrax and Botulinum?
u/SaddamHussein24 - originally from r/GenZhou
Also, Victoria Nuland said she “is worried that those labs may fall in russian hands”. If its just medical research why be concerned huh?u/roosterkun - originally from r/GenZhou
You’re welcome to have your conspiracy theories and I recognize that the US has given you plenty of reason to, but the fact is there is no evidence indicating that the US is developing biological weapons in Ukraine. That makes it misinformation.Beside that point, I could ask the same question regarding the placement of the labs. If the US were developing biological weapons, I would posit that they would almost certainly be doing so on US soil. You really think they’d risk the Ukrainians turning against them?
u/SaddamHussein24 - originally from r/GenZhou
I literally sent you the evidence bruh. Cant you see it?u/HotMinimum26 - originally from r/GenZhou
https://youtu.be/2lUt6DMfrBgu/SaddamHussein24 - originally from r/GenZhou
Ive tried sending you the links 2 times, they get autodeleted. Youll have to research it yourself mateu/FaustTheBird - originally from r/GenZhouthere is no evidence indicating that the US is developing biological weapons in Ukraine
What is wrong with you? Under what conditions would it make sense for the US government to fund and collaboratively operate biolabs in Ukraine, at the border of Russia, after a coup that was pretty clearly infiltrated by US interests, that ultimately brought neo-nazis into a legitimate role in the state?
What capabilities could they possibly have in Ukraine that don’t exist elsewhere and aren’t besieged by violent threats to both operations and to infrastructure and to supply chain?
The only thing Ukraine has going for it is that it’s not on US soil, is willing to absolve the US of any wrongdoings in order to get into NATO, and there’s already an active espionage infrastructure in place including CIA black sites.
If they’re not developing bioweapons, then they’re either operating a red herring or they’re operating the most ham-fisted “cancer research” lab ever concocted.
u/1catcherintherye8 - originally from r/GenZhou
Our analysis should be somewhere in between these two positions and constantly changing as the conditions in that region are drastically changing from day to day. As Communists, we should stand in solidarity of the working class first and foremost and reject bourgeois war. Period. Putin is an Oligarch and anti-Lenin. At the same time, we can also recognize the hand that US-Imperialism has had in that region for decades and as recent as 2014. I’d rather focus on the former.u/TowerOfGoats - originally from r/GenZhou
I completely agree, but I’d rather focus on the latter. I don’t live in Russia, I live in the USA. US Imperialism is far more relevant to my life and should be my point of attack. The most effective thing I can do to bring piece to region is push my government to talk to Russia, acknowledge security needs, and roll back or abolish NATO.u/1catcherintherye8 - originally from r/GenZhou
Absolutely comrade, we must practice revolutionary defeatism however we must be careful it doesn’t contribute to pro-Putin/Russian rhetoric. It’s a very fine line and we have to walk it delicately.
u/AnkanBasu - originally from r/GenZhou
Putin is an oligarch, yes. But he’s also someone who has maintained good relationship with AES states and states which suffered due to western aggression and has provided them with military or humanitarian support. If I know that then, I have no issue in critically supporting him in these areas and to the legitimate security concerns of Russia. It’s a childish mentality to outright oppose someone just because they don’t agree to you on each and every step.If someone wants to criticise him isolating from these areas then be my guest but don’t be an idiot by opposing him and when (I hope not) Russia succumbs to West be surprised that Western hegemony will now go unchecked. No matter how much you think China can deter them, it can’t do that alone.
u/1catcherintherye8 - originally from r/GenZhouPutin is an oligarch, yes
And
he’s also someone who has maintained good relationship with AES states and states which suffered due to western aggression and has provided them with military or humanitarian support.
Both these statements can be true, Comrade.
The point I was intending on conveying in my post is that we must have a complexes nuanced analysis which allows for both Anti-US/NATO Imperialism and anti-bourgeois, anti-Capitalist sentiment.
No one should be outright apposing or defending Putin as a person, or any person/State for that matter. We must separate the actions from the person/State and support the actions that align with Communist ideals and reject/criticize actions that threaten Communist ideals.
Comradely
u/AnkanBasu - originally from r/GenZhou
Oh i misread your intention then(sorry about that.) It’s just that i don’t agree with this discord mods position (i would like to expand on it but people on the main sub have already done that) and i thought you were on board with the same thoughtu/1catcherintherye8 - originally from r/GenZhou
Perfectly fine. I think this speaks to the very cause of the split on this sub and the general issue with online discourse. There’s an intention and a perspective that we are attempting to convey but it’s difficult to do that in short comments, especially when we don’t know each other. We need to give each other more grace but it’s hard when we have a righteous attitude about these subjects, rightfully so.
u/poeiradasestrelas - originally from r/GenZhou
This stance is different to what used to be posted there. There was a lot of Good vs Evil narrative in this waru/kittyabbygirl - originally from r/GenZhou
I got banned from the subreddit for having this exact same position, but it gives me hope that the discord (which I never ended up joining) can recognize that immediate peace and the end of civilian deaths is a priority above all else.u/thepensiveiguana - originally from r/GenZhou
So they don’t believe in the Leninism of Marxist-Leninism
u/3rd_Comintern - originally from r/GenZhou
Which side are you on boys, which side are you on~I hope the two reconcile as soon as possible, because I swear to god if one starts banning people who are in the other group there is no more hope for GZD.
u/aspensmonster - originally from r/GenZhou
That’s already happening and has been for weeks. I got banned for insisting that what Russia is doing is imperialism. That Russia is the smaller imperialist is irrelevant. You don’t “critically support” one imperialist over another. Lenin answered this one a century ago.The original statement advocated for the correct stance: revolutionary defeatism. /r/GenZedong would rather engage in chauvinism and opportunism.
u/BobDope - originally from r/GenZhou
Depends who you prefer, Russians pretending to be Chinese, or CIA operatives pretending to be Russians pretending to be Chinese. As the kids say it’s complicated. But if you want the China take check out r/Sino or somethingu/Sovietperson2 - originally from r/GenZhou
They split? How?u/Gamecock_Nation265 - originally from r/GenZhou
It is the struggle of ideology in itself: the eventual split into easily distinguished, yet similar, sects[] - originally from r/GenZhou
[removed]u/comically_large_tank - originally from r/GenZhou
So essentially… if Lybia, Yugoslavia, Iraq, and others could actually hold their own against NATO advances, against U.S imperialism, and not only that but preemptively get rid of couped, us-funded proxy states such as Israel, they’d be wrong? They’d be imperialist?Do not say NATO “was declining, it was becoming weaker” because that doesn’t make sense. When did the monarchs, the rich, the imperialists ever lost power on their own? When did fascism just leave on its own? On its own time and terms?
Damn, GenZedong really was the only sane sub left.
u/kaladyr - originally from r/GenZhou
Apparently the discord forgot what “opportunism” means.
u/blacknotblack - originally from r/GenZhou
The sub didn’t start supporting Russia but many people who did mistook the initial critical support for actual support and stayed. There were plenty of new members and new accounts spamming the subreddit and made it less funny.What about Iraq was imperialist? Haven’t had coffee yet so my brain isn’t fully functional…
u/Mundingburrasaurus - originally from r/GenZhou
There is nothing similar about this invasion of Ukraine to Iraq. He’s equating Russia’s invasion with the imperialism done by the west over hundreds of years - an absurd stance to make. Scale matters.Taking no sides except the one of the Ukrainian working class and Russian working class who are affected by the sanctions is the correct stance. But you simply help the primary threat of (real) imperialism (that only comes from the WEST) by equating these invasions.
u/staxofmax - originally from r/GenZhou
I think they’re conflating the pan-arab nationalist ambitions of the Baath party with actual imperialism.
u/The_Monocle_Debacle - originally from r/GenZhou
🚨 lib alert 🚨u/Tolkius - originally from r/GenZhou
Putin is not invading.Heck. Donetsk and Lugansk are the ones leading the operations AGAINST the country that was invading: Ukraine.
Ukraine is the one invading.
u/BreadDaddyLenin - originally from r/GenZhou
Okay, look, I don’t know how Ukraine is invading Russia. Last I checked, the Russian military was surrounding Kiev.u/Tolkius - originally from r/GenZhou
Ukraine is invading Donestk and Lugansk. They asked Russia to aid them.u/BreadDaddyLenin - originally from r/GenZhou
Okay, yes, that is correct. But, Russia is in fact invading Ukraine. You can’t really deny that.u/Tolkius - originally from r/GenZhou
Do you also say that the Allies invaded Germany? Maybe we have different definitions of “invasion”.u/BreadDaddyLenin - originally from r/GenZhou
I would say the Allies invaded Germany, yes.in·vade /inˈvād/ verb: invade; 3rd person present: invades; past tense: invaded; past participle: invaded; gerund or present participle: invading (of an armed force or its commander) enter (a country or region) so as to subjugate or occupy it.
invasion noun [ C or U ] US /ɪnˈveɪ.ʒən/ UK /ɪnˈveɪ.ʒən/
B2 an occasion when an army or country uses force to enter and take control of another country:
Operation Overlord is referred to as an Allied Invasion in pretty much all common sources
u/etiennegerminal - originally from r/GenZhouit reminds of that Iraq war
How?
u/takingtigermountain - originally from r/GenZhou
the correct take
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[removed]u/KinkCrimson - originally from r/GenZhou
You can only cope and seethe, China will be the dominant power of the world soon enough.u/Xalusc_ - originally from r/GenZhou
Nice username[] - originally from r/GenZhou
[removed]u/KinkCrimson - originally from r/GenZhou
Last time you fuckers tried something funny you got curbstomped by the USSR, China is more powerful than the USSR ever was. Cope and motherfucking seethe.u/BluAlien01 - originally from r/GenZhou
Who would have thought, that you are a racist piece of Sh*t???tHe wHiTe rAcE WiLl sEe iTs ResUrgeNce…, buddy someone tried it already in 1939 and it did not end well!!!
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[removed]u/BluAlien01 - originally from r/GenZhou
Cope harder fascist[] - originally from r/GenZhou
National capitalist*
u/transilvanianhungerr - originally from r/GenZhou
larpu/Irrelevant-Lizard - originally from r/GenZhou
Lol, I’m Middle Eastern and coming to Europe, Arab conquest of 2023 baby, no one can stop it B)