u/The_Monocle_Debacle - originally from r/GenZhou
Misinformation now means “runs contrary to the accepted western imperial narrative” not anything to do with actual evidence of veracity
u/Wiwwil - originally from r/GenZhou
When the west believes blindly Snake island, the ghost of Kiev and many other bullshit from their media, it can’t be more true
u/Graf_zur_See - originally from r/GenZhou
“Misinformation” lmao. I was banned for 7 days from the sub for that, because i cited a Western source about the US Intelligence claiming the Russians lost 7k soldiers. Where the FUCK is that “Misinformation”?! For me it seems like either the mods want to drag the oncoming ban on to allow more people to switch to Lemmygrad (hopefully) or they want to wash the backs of the admins, in order to get the sub back. Either way: “Misinformation” my arse
u/applejuice72 - originally from r/GenZhou
Yeah this is totally just a front to keep things moving for now. I dont think I saw a ton of spread of purposeful misinformation as I saw so much of just information being thrown out. We live in an age of information warfare. Information is a currency and a commodity in and of itself. There really is no such thing as misinformation so long as it is blatant or patently false.
As a platform that is run by alphabet groups with ties to the uhhh cardinal direction group that represents a military alliance who if you mention that specific connection you get the bloody axe from reddit (which I recommend keeping hush hush with the upmost importance) their version of “misinformation” is just whatever runs against the narrative of the West itself.
So with that said, there wasn’t a lot of things that were 100% verifiably disproven, just not things that were “state-approved facts and narratives” being promoted in GenZ. So idk who wrote that hunk of garbage and I saw things with my own two eyes that can never be taken away nor shown to be “misinformation.” Sure yeah Russia is managing their own propaganda war, but they aren’t making “Ghost of Sevastopol” claims and nor are they engaged in total warfare on that scale in Ukraine.
u/Tashathar - originally from r/GenZhou
I’m sure the Russian government is doing something, but considering there’s no “glorious war” shit from the Russian side (that I saw) and Kadyrov is seemingly posting half the footage that’s out there, they doesn’t seem to be waging information warfare.
u/roosterkun - originally from r/GenZhou
I think a huge reason for the quarantines are the posts about biological weapon labs in Ukraine that were almost completely unsubstantiated.
u/SaddamHussein24 - originally from r/GenZhou
Oh right, the US DoD is funding 20+ biolabs studying dangerous pathogens like Anthrax and botulin in a foreign country engaged in a civil war and ruled by neonazis, but its all for medical research, trust me bro.
u/SaddamHussein24 - originally from r/GenZhou
Also, Victoria Nuland said she “is worried that those labs may fall in russian hands”. If its just medical research why be concerned huh?
u/roosterkun - originally from r/GenZhou
You’re welcome to have your conspiracy theories and I recognize that the US has given you plenty of reason to, but the fact is there is no evidence indicating that the US is developing biological weapons in Ukraine. That makes it misinformation.
Beside that point, I could ask the same question regarding the placement of the labs. If the US were developing biological weapons, I would posit that they would almost certainly be doing so on US soil. You really think they’d risk the Ukrainians turning against them?
u/roosterkun - originally from r/GenZhou
That entire interview basically affirms everything I have said. She clarifies that there are biological research facilities, that nothing nefarious is happening at them, and that the comments by Victoria Nuland are referring more generally to the safe handling of biological testing components.
Rubio literally references the comment that /u/SaddamHussein24 quoted for further clarification, and Haines explains it well.
u/SaddamHussein24 - originally from r/GenZhou
Yeah sure, believe what the US government tells you. I dont know if you are stupid or just naive man holy shit. If it was no big deal then why did the US deny the existence of any biolabs before the crushing evidence was published?
u/SaddamHussein24 - originally from r/GenZhou
If you want to see the evidence go to RT. They have published ukrainian government documents detailing the pathogens that are to be destroyed to not fall in russian hands.
u/SaddamHussein24 - originally from r/GenZhou
Also, this journalist exposed this biolab shit 2 years ago. Back then everyone called her a “conspiracy theorist”, but guess what, she was right. Full details of her investigation:
https://youtu.be/kh5kPqpuOBs
u/HotMinimum26 - originally from r/GenZhou
I see you point but it’s time for the war profiteers to make money, so I’m taking everything they say with several grains of salt. It could be true, it could be used for justification to keep sending billions in weapons. if you want to trust the agencies go ahead.
I up voted you BTW cuz you’re concerns have merit and your respectful and I don’t want your post to get hidden
there is no evidence indicating that the US is developing biological weapons in Ukraine
What is wrong with you? Under what conditions would it make sense for the US government to fund and collaboratively operate biolabs in Ukraine, at the border of Russia, after a coup that was pretty clearly infiltrated by US interests, that ultimately brought neo-nazis into a legitimate role in the state?
What capabilities could they possibly have in Ukraine that don’t exist elsewhere and aren’t besieged by violent threats to both operations and to infrastructure and to supply chain?
The only thing Ukraine has going for it is that it’s not on US soil, is willing to absolve the US of any wrongdoings in order to get into NATO, and there’s already an active espionage infrastructure in place including CIA black sites.
If they’re not developing bioweapons, then they’re either operating a red herring or they’re operating the most ham-fisted “cancer research” lab ever concocted.
u/roosterkun - originally from r/GenZhou
First of all, plausible reasons why something may exist is not the same thing as evidence for it existing.
Hasn’t the last 2 years of C19 highlighted a good reason for biological research facilities to exist around the world? The US has labs of that very sort in 25 countries around the world, the only reason Ukraine is presently highlighted is because they’re involved in a war.
The fact that it’s funded by the DOD is something I was made aware of only by this thread, and it does cast suspicion as to the intented purpose of the lab, but again: that is not the same thing as evidence.
We are not in a court of law, we are disempowered capitalist subjects living in the imperial core and constantly force-fed propaganda. Your demand for hard concrete evidence despite all of the constant patterns around you is a ridiculous way of navigating the world.
All of these things were known long after they were true. The evidence of immediate things is simply not accessible. We have to rely on patterns and on the known facts about strategies, tactics, capabilities, and laws of motion.
u/honeyfuckles- - originally from r/GenZhouWould you happen to know some of the highly upvoted misinformation posts?
u/The_Monocle_Debacle - originally from r/GenZhouMisinformation now means “runs contrary to the accepted western imperial narrative” not anything to do with actual evidence of veracity
u/Wiwwil - originally from r/GenZhouWhen the west believes blindly Snake island, the ghost of Kiev and many other bullshit from their media, it can’t be more true
u/The_Monocle_Debacle - originally from r/GenZhouYeah it’s literally just “bad information” as a value judgement
u/DoktorElmo - originally from r/GenZhouTbf snake island and ghost of kyiv were both later corrected in the MSM (at least the ones I read).
u/Wiwwil - originally from r/GenZhouDoesn’t matter, the damage was done and they never got censored for misinformation. It always goes one side.
u/Graf_zur_See - originally from r/GenZhou“Misinformation” lmao. I was banned for 7 days from the sub for that, because i cited a Western source about the US Intelligence claiming the Russians lost 7k soldiers. Where the FUCK is that “Misinformation”?! For me it seems like either the mods want to drag the oncoming ban on to allow more people to switch to Lemmygrad (hopefully) or they want to wash the backs of the admins, in order to get the sub back. Either way: “Misinformation” my arse
u/applejuice72 - originally from r/GenZhouYeah this is totally just a front to keep things moving for now. I dont think I saw a ton of spread of purposeful misinformation as I saw so much of just information being thrown out. We live in an age of information warfare. Information is a currency and a commodity in and of itself. There really is no such thing as misinformation so long as it is blatant or patently false.
As a platform that is run by alphabet groups with ties to the uhhh cardinal direction group that represents a military alliance who if you mention that specific connection you get the bloody axe from reddit (which I recommend keeping hush hush with the upmost importance) their version of “misinformation” is just whatever runs against the narrative of the West itself.
So with that said, there wasn’t a lot of things that were 100% verifiably disproven, just not things that were “state-approved facts and narratives” being promoted in GenZ. So idk who wrote that hunk of garbage and I saw things with my own two eyes that can never be taken away nor shown to be “misinformation.” Sure yeah Russia is managing their own propaganda war, but they aren’t making “Ghost of Sevastopol” claims and nor are they engaged in total warfare on that scale in Ukraine.
u/Tashathar - originally from r/GenZhouI’m sure the Russian government is doing something, but considering there’s no “glorious war” shit from the Russian side (that I saw) and Kadyrov is seemingly posting half the footage that’s out there, they doesn’t seem to be waging information warfare.
u/NvMe_24 - originally from r/GenZhouno idea, haven’t seen them myself since im not too active this past week
u/BreadDaddyLenin - originally from r/GenZhouonly one I can think of is posting like, literal staged PR videos from Russian military
u/roosterkun - originally from r/GenZhouI think a huge reason for the quarantines are the posts about biological weapon labs in Ukraine that were almost completely unsubstantiated.
u/SaddamHussein24 - originally from r/GenZhouUnsubstantiated? The US literally admitted to having biolabs in Ukraine LOL
u/roosterkun - originally from r/GenZhouThere’s a difference between a biolab and a biological weapons facility.
u/SaddamHussein24 - originally from r/GenZhouOh right, the US DoD is funding 20+ biolabs studying dangerous pathogens like Anthrax and botulin in a foreign country engaged in a civil war and ruled by neonazis, but its all for medical research, trust me bro.
u/roosterkun - originally from r/GenZhouDo you have a source for the active study of Anthrax and Botulinum?
u/SaddamHussein24 - originally from r/GenZhouAlso, Victoria Nuland said she “is worried that those labs may fall in russian hands”. If its just medical research why be concerned huh?
u/roosterkun - originally from r/GenZhouYou’re welcome to have your conspiracy theories and I recognize that the US has given you plenty of reason to, but the fact is there is no evidence indicating that the US is developing biological weapons in Ukraine. That makes it misinformation.
Beside that point, I could ask the same question regarding the placement of the labs. If the US were developing biological weapons, I would posit that they would almost certainly be doing so on US soil. You really think they’d risk the Ukrainians turning against them?
u/SaddamHussein24 - originally from r/GenZhouI literally sent you the evidence bruh. Cant you see it?
u/HotMinimum26 - originally from r/GenZhouhttps://youtu.be/2lUt6DMfrBg
u/roosterkun - originally from r/GenZhouThat entire interview basically affirms everything I have said. She clarifies that there are biological research facilities, that nothing nefarious is happening at them, and that the comments by Victoria Nuland are referring more generally to the safe handling of biological testing components.
Rubio literally references the comment that /u/SaddamHussein24 quoted for further clarification, and Haines explains it well.
u/SaddamHussein24 - originally from r/GenZhouYeah sure, believe what the US government tells you. I dont know if you are stupid or just naive man holy shit. If it was no big deal then why did the US deny the existence of any biolabs before the crushing evidence was published?
u/SaddamHussein24 - originally from r/GenZhouIf you want to see the evidence go to RT. They have published ukrainian government documents detailing the pathogens that are to be destroyed to not fall in russian hands.
u/SaddamHussein24 - originally from r/GenZhouAlso, this journalist exposed this biolab shit 2 years ago. Back then everyone called her a “conspiracy theorist”, but guess what, she was right. Full details of her investigation: https://youtu.be/kh5kPqpuOBs
u/HotMinimum26 - originally from r/GenZhouI see you point but it’s time for the war profiteers to make money, so I’m taking everything they say with several grains of salt. It could be true, it could be used for justification to keep sending billions in weapons. if you want to trust the agencies go ahead.
I up voted you BTW cuz you’re concerns have merit and your respectful and I don’t want your post to get hidden
u/SaddamHussein24 - originally from r/GenZhouIve tried sending you the links 2 times, they get autodeleted. Youll have to research it yourself mate
u/FaustTheBird - originally from r/GenZhouWhat is wrong with you? Under what conditions would it make sense for the US government to fund and collaboratively operate biolabs in Ukraine, at the border of Russia, after a coup that was pretty clearly infiltrated by US interests, that ultimately brought neo-nazis into a legitimate role in the state?
What capabilities could they possibly have in Ukraine that don’t exist elsewhere and aren’t besieged by violent threats to both operations and to infrastructure and to supply chain?
The only thing Ukraine has going for it is that it’s not on US soil, is willing to absolve the US of any wrongdoings in order to get into NATO, and there’s already an active espionage infrastructure in place including CIA black sites.
If they’re not developing bioweapons, then they’re either operating a red herring or they’re operating the most ham-fisted “cancer research” lab ever concocted.
u/roosterkun - originally from r/GenZhouFirst of all, plausible reasons why something may exist is not the same thing as evidence for it existing.
Hasn’t the last 2 years of C19 highlighted a good reason for biological research facilities to exist around the world? The US has labs of that very sort in 25 countries around the world, the only reason Ukraine is presently highlighted is because they’re involved in a war.
The fact that it’s funded by the DOD is something I was made aware of only by this thread, and it does cast suspicion as to the intented purpose of the lab, but again: that is not the same thing as evidence.
u/FaustTheBird - originally from r/GenZhouWe are not in a court of law, we are disempowered capitalist subjects living in the imperial core and constantly force-fed propaganda. Your demand for hard concrete evidence despite all of the constant patterns around you is a ridiculous way of navigating the world.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip (protection of Nazis)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics_in_the_United_States#Sterilization_of_Latina_women (sterilization of non-white women through the 1970s)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes (spying on citizens and sharing the information with allies to evade posse comitatus)
https://theweek.com/speedreads/835854/john-bolton-says-monroe-doctrine-alive-well-history-shows-why-thats-controversial-statement (The Monroe Doctrine is alive and well)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_squad#United_States (Death squads used by the US)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_warfare#United_States (publicly known and filtered biowar programs)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niger_uranium_forgeries (yellow cake lie)
All of these things were known long after they were true. The evidence of immediate things is simply not accessible. We have to rely on patterns and on the known facts about strategies, tactics, capabilities, and laws of motion.