Wonder if those were “professional” military or just unfortunate working class conscripts
I might not be 100% correct but Germany didn’t use conscripts that early at war, so those are probably professional soldiers?
A number of Ukrainians I or my acquaintances have contacts with, didn’t want or believe there’s going to be a war and so did a lot of people around them, though obviously being bombed doesn’t make one particularly favorable of the side doing the bombing. This is different from Nazi Germany where Wehrmacht troops have been brainwashed to see Soviet and generally Slavic people like shit to extreme and were on the fucking settler conquest.
I’m not gonna cry over banderlog scum, but a lot of people there have voted for Zelenskyy over Poroshenko because he promised a ceasefire in Donbass and wasn’t generally a fucking Ukronationalist (and was “tough on corruption”). He then took a classic huge dump on those who elected him because he has west-oriented capital to serve.
Germany started conscription in 1935, they conscripted averagely 300000 men each year up to war and more in the war. Hard to tell exact numbers of conscripts in 1941 but i imagine they did fought since Germany mobilised everything they could for Barbarossa.
The same is about Ukraine, we don’t really know how many conscripts exactly there are and where they are.
I know quite many Ukrainians in Poland, and i noticed in 2 big and one medium company from where i have info from, non went back to fight. Can’t blame them at all.
This is different from Nazi Germany where Wehrmacht troops have been brainwashed to see Soviet and generally Slavic people like shit to extreme and were on the fucking settler conquest.
This is exact same message banderites are putting about Russians and especially people from Donbass. Odessa massacre did happened for reason.
I’m not gonna cry over banderlog scum, but a lot of people there have voted for Zelenskyy over Poroshenko because he promised a ceasefire in Donbass and wasn’t generally a fucking Ukronationalist (and was “tough on corruption”). He then took a classic huge dump on those who elected him because he has west-oriented capital to serve.
Fair enough
My point was rather that i was not expecting this kind of dead horse question here.
The same is about Ukraine, we don’t really know how many conscripts exactly there are and where they are.
I mean, wikipedia lists contract fighters at about ~14k out of ~250k, so unless it’s a known group (like Azov; I’d expect mentions up the ass if it was somebody significant) we can estimate the chance of a combatant being a conscript as 94% or higher.
This is exact same message banderites are putting about Russians and especially people from Donbass
Yeah, and a decent number of people don’t buy it. Your companies has some of them. But also, it’s now falling on a fertile ground after actually being attacked. Before the “special operation” that sentiment didn’t ring as true. I’m expecting an increased speed of Nazification in Ukraine if there’s no revolution.
My point was rather that i was not expecting this kind of dead horse question here.
There’s a disgusting amount of jerking off to Team Z war porn as if it’s some kind of fucking sports.
wikipedia lists contract fighters at about ~14k out of ~250k
That number was new recruits, cited for 2017 alone, and not even entirety of 2017: “Artemenko also said that since the beginning of 2017, more than 14,000 people have signed a contract with the Armed Forces. More than a thousand of them are officers. 1.3 thousand - conscripts who decided to continue their service under contract.” - this was 30 may 2017, so not even half year.
Also the western Ukraine, the seat of banderism apparently massively dogde drafting. Not surprised lol.
But also, it’s now falling on a fertile ground after actually being attacked.
It undoubtedly is. It also remind me of WW2, and what exactly happened to that fertile ground after WW2. It only underline the necessity of denazification, left alone it already blossomed with weeds of mass urder in Donbass for basically no reason whatsoever.
I’m expecting an increased speed of Nazification in Ukraine if there’s no revolution.
I guess that depends. If Russia just withdraws and the maidan gang is not sweeped, it will undoubtedly happen. Nobody ever said the situation is not shitty and there aren’t only bad things in the future. At least the worst is already avoided though.
There’s a disgusting amount of jerking off to Team Z war porn as if it’s some kind of fucking sports.
By disgusting amount you mean any amount more than zero? As opposed to thoughts and prayers for the banderites?
If Russia just withdraws and the maidan gang is not sweeped, it will undoubtedly happen
The way I see it, proper denazification would take at least several years under Russian control, for which there’s currently not enough personnel involved from Russian side. “The maidan gang” is just a representative of west-oriented bourgeoisie. The masters have to be “sweeped” too by seizing their property, otherwise it’d be just a cosmetic cover that would only hold up as long as there are Russian troops to support it… So I consider “denazification” as a goal a public opinion distraction that isn’t practically achievable with current forces (and that’s rich coming from a country sliding into their own form of fascism for the past years).
It undoubtedly is. It also remind me of WW2, and what exactly happened to that fertile ground after WW2. It only underline the necessity of denazification, left alone it already blossomed with weeds of mass urder in Donbass for basically no reason whatsoever.
Russian forces took over Crimea and supported Donbass, including, according to Ukrainian mass media, with troops. While I support the self-determination of LDPR and Crimea, a lot of people don’t and for them it’s hardly a “no reason whatsoever”. WW2 was different in that the “blossoming” has been happening beforehand. Plus, I doubt there would be a force doing the denazification any time soon.
By disgusting amount you mean any amount more than zero? As opposed to thoughts and prayers for the banderites?
No? There are not necessarily only two extremes. Banderites are getting exactly what they asked for, but I also don’t enjoy watching hundreds of man-hours of houses and infrastructure being destroyed, let alone conscripts and civilians dying for capital interests or fake news, and Ukrainian government’s direct betrayal of their people doesn’t make it fun.
Anyway, I’ll stop replying from now on. Thanks for correcting me on the points about German conscription and contract numbers btw.
Aw a pity, seeing how you sneak some real crap under the guise of more sensible approach.
There were no russian troops in Donbass until now. There were only military advisors, many volunteers and possibly some mercenaries/unofficial GRU agents (Wagner). The bulk of DPR and LPR forces were and continue to be local civilians. Stop reading ukrainian propaganda sir.
wikipedia is not a trusted source on any live war or any war in which western warcrimes must be covered up. and if it can’t be denied anymore, wikipedia still won’t allow you to name the people and policies responsible. further down rank, maybe you ll read a few names of people who more often than not didn’t even get a pat on the wrist for policy decisions causing 10s of 1000 of innocent civilian lives. and there never ever was a humanitarian corridor to begin with.
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That one footage of an group of ukranian soldiers getting blowed of by one of their own tanks because the tank thought they where russian soldiers.
I’m pretty sure it was a Russian tank, apparently the ukrainians were expecting tanks to pass by so they assumed it was one of theirs and ignored it.
Didnt thay thought it was an ukranian tank? With is funny how they ignored the big ass z on the side of the tanks.
What I heard was: A ukrainian tank convoy was expected to pass the area where the ukrainian soldiers were in the video. This information was intercepted by nearby russian tank convoy who covered their identifying features (the big z) and entered the area to surprise the ukrainians. If this is correct then it worked very well.
I don’t think it’s a Russian tank.
The footage shown that the ERA shape and layout on those tank is likely Kontakt-1, which leave only a few possibility - T-64BV, T-72AV, and T-80BV.
(I’m leaving T-72B family out because the way they placed Kontakt-1 on the turret is so different from the rest it’s unlikely to be the one in the footage.)
The T-64BV is mainly use by Ukrainian, while the rest is mainly use by Russian. One of the main visual different of the T-64BV compare to T-72 and T-80 is that it has provision to mount its infrared search light on the left side of its main gun, while the T-72 and T-80 has the same mount on the right side.
In the footage, you’ll notice that the tank has some empty space on the left side of its main gun, consist with where you’d normally find infrared search light on T-64BV. Until we have higher resolution picture of the incident, or one which clearly shown a Z marking or something similar, I think it’s more likely it’s Ukrainian tank than Russian.
Here is the video (more angles in the comments): https://www.reddit.com/r/MakeMyCoffin/comments/u23qvs/mmc_after_we_didnt_recognize_russian_tank_pov/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
