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      I have seen so many thread saying how bad that instance is but every time I ask for links proving how bad they are I have never see anything worth the hate.

      Can you provide some examples?

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        I have never see anything worth the hate.

        You just have a very high tolerance for jackassery. You’ve seen plenty of evidence of hexbear hostility, i.e. the “dunk tank” that would justify not wanting to interact with hexbear users and have actively chosen to disregard it.

        This is because you’re kind of a jackass. Disregarding people engaging in good faith with “just trust me bro” is exactly the kind of thing people really hate hexbear users for. Not because of illegal activity or moral failing, but because they’re assholes. While you may think this isn’t worth de-federation, unfortunately moderators aren’t some kind of legal authority, and if federating with hexbear means instance admins or community moderators need to put in triple the work to prune all the arguments and “”“shitposting”“” hexbear users love, nobody is legally or morally required to put up with it.

        It’s legitimately that simple. Hexbear users are jerks and nobody wants to hang out with them, and that’s enough to ban them from any given community or instance.

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          Best point I’ve read made here.

          I’m also probably kind if a jackass, because hex bear doesn’t bother me. Would I appreciate a civil conversation to better understand their POV? Totally. Will that happen? No. So I just don’t interact. The fierce protection of LGBTQ communities is something I appreciate however.

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            The fierce protection of LGBTQ communities is something I appreciate however.

            It’s not really genuine though. They lightly elevate trump above all other presidents despite his history of attacking LGBTQ rights: https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2020/09/trumps-record-lgbtq-rights-vile-moment-took-office-kept-list/

            It’s just a political angle to get support from people who feel isolated away from other political movements.

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              Here FaeDrifter is again saying this shit.

              A HUGE PORTION OF HEXBEAR IS TRANS. OVER HALF THE MODS ARE TRANS. THIS HAS BEEN THE CASE FOR THREE YEARS PRIOR TO FEDERATION. FAE, PEOPLE HAVE POINTED THIS OUT TO YOU BEFORE. PROBABLY MULTIPLE TIMES NOW.

              See @HornyOnMain@lemmy.ml in this very thread:

              https://lemmy.ml/comment/3504748

              We’ve never “pretended to support lgbt”, why would we? What would be the point of a load of alt right channers roleplaying as queer communists for years on an incredibly niche social media in the hope that eventually redditors would come to the site? And even supposing we did, and we were all just alt right types, if we’d spent years doing reading groups of queer theory together and kicking out transphobes and creating the most queer friendly space on lemmy just as an incredibly long extended bit then would the supposed communists we’re impersonating even take issue with that?

              Like just use some critical thinking, at this point almost half of the sites users are trans and most of the rest are queer, most new users cite our radical opposition to queerphobia as their reason for joining, what evidence is there that we lie about being queer friendly? Like just check out !traaaaaaannnnnnnnnns@hexbear.net or !anti_cishet_aktion@hexbear.net or !transenby_liberation@hexbear.net and tell me in good faith that all these people have been lying for years about being queer

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                Identiy politics is so silly. It’s possible for a black person to support systemic racism, it’s possible for a Jewish person to support Nazi’s, it’s possible for LGBTQ people to support anti-LGBTQ politicians. Case in point - Jessica Watkins.

                “I am x-identity” is lazy, superficial, irrelevant.

                I don’t think anyone is lying about their identity. I do fully expect that the trans men and women of Hexbear would throw their LGBTQ brothers and sisters in front of a firing squad if it meant a chance at a bloody revolution over the bourgeois.

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                  But THEY DON’T SUPPORT THOSE THINGS! YOU’RE MAKING SHIT UP. THIS IS EASY TO SEE IF YOU GO LOOK AT WHAT THEY ACTUALLY SAY ABOUT FASCISTS AND TRANSPHOBES. YOU HAVE BEEN AT THIS FOR AT LEAST A FUCKING WEEK NOW.

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            Would I appreciate a civil conversation to better understand their POV? Totally. Will that happen? No.

            People have actually had that conversation. You just have to seem curious and not too accusatory. Also — depending on how skeptical you come across — it might help to keep your questions specific so they don’t feel like they have to defend their entire perspective in one fell swoop, although some might be up for that.

            They’re aware that their perspective tends to be vilified and poorly understood, which both makes them wary of people but also enthusiastic to respond when they find someone they think is actually interested in what they have to say. If I showed them your comment they’d probably be like “hell yeah, send him in.”

            *I made a thread and I was going to link it to you if you wanted to ask questions, but I realized you’re defederated

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            I was called a bigot because I dared to say that a person finished transitioning is no longer trans.

            Because they’re done. They’re a man or woman now, and apparently treating them as such means I’m a bigot.

            This isn’t defense, this behavior actively makes things worse for trans people. This is the exact type of behavior conservatives want you to think of when they say “trans people bad”.

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              They’re a man or woman now

              This is why, this statement means that you don’t view trans people who haven’t “finished transitioning” as their actual gender. This is a transphobic and pretty reductive understanding of how transition works (albeit one that some trans people hold themselves, usually transmeds). I won’t write an entire essay on why but here’s just a small bit to chew on: consider that a “finished transition” is very different from person to person and some people might never consider it finished. Some people only want to socially transition, others have to medicate for their entire lives, both could consider reaching their ideal state “finished” or they could consider it a continual work in progress.

              Also,

              This isn’t defense, this behavior actively makes things worse for trans people.

              The idea that pointing out someone’s transphobia will somehow support the transphobes is laughable. If being called out is seriously enough to make someone stop supporting trans people then their support was conditional and only surface-level.

              Staying civil, as you suggest, is what actually helps conservatives since it allows their views to go unchallenged when their views are bad and should be challenged. Part of this includes challenging people who may think they are supportive but harbour transphobic beliefs that they haven’t analysed fully. And these wrong beliefs can have actual harm. As a simple example, there are a lot of “allies” who say that trans people are their gender but not their sex, which is a belief that can harm trans people when brought into a medical context where our bodies are (if on HRT) closer to those of our actual gender than to our AGAB.

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              If you are not trans shut the fuck up right now about what is or isn’t good for trans people, trans people do not need a cis saviour to come in and tell us we’re being too unpalatable for liberals who will only support us as long as we don’t get too uppity

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                There it is, rabid dog behavior.

                You give the conservatives everything they need hexadyte.

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              I was called a bigot because I dared to say that a person finished transitioning is no longer trans.

              thats bigoted you fucking godless removed

              I would love to put the entire imperial core in a giant fucking prison and re-educate all of you into communists. Its my favorite fantasy.

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          They’re tankies. End of story.

          This is not a good argument, which is going to elicit the response he had no matter the context.

          People don’t put the effort into showing receipts. And sometimes the receipts are about murders that happened over 100 years ago? This post about the tzars https://kbin.social/m/meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works/t/424265/Hexbearians-frustrated-that-user-draws-the-line-at-child-murder

          This whole thread is about the historical context around the summary execution of the romanovs. While the tzars absolutely needed to end, in the context of the 1910s and absolute monarchy, if the children didn’t die there would have likely been civil war trying to reinstate the line into power.

          THIS https://kbin.social/m/meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works/t/419779/This-Comm-is-Racist-Thought-Terminating-Nonsense

          Is a much better receipt. User doesn’t understand the winnie the pooh reference, also doesn’t understand the PRCs effort to stifle discussion about TSM and the pressure that firsthand witnesses are under.

          even with this guy, I don’t understand how a user being an idiot is worth defederating. If he’s going into other threads and spouting the same nonsense, sure ban him. If many people are going into other unrelated threads and injecting that kind of misinformation into conversation, that’s a pattern that makes defederating a consideration.

          Is there this pattern, of other communities being disrupted in this way?

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            Yeah the communities dedicated to screenshotting posts in other instances are a really fucking odd thing I see show up routinely.

            It has always appeared to me there is some kind of side squabble between various communities in the Fediverse against a couple instances in the Fediverse. I pretty much see two flavors: overly personal grudges or hypocritical trolling. Or I guess the swirl option for both, so three flavors.

            It’s kind of nostalgic really, for the old days of forum flame wars.

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              The purpose is to highlight that tankies are extremists who hide their bigotry and hatred behind progressivism.

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                  You don’t dislike people who deny and even celebrate genocides? Don’t think I want your respect if such content is okay with you.

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        Lol, that’s because the mods of said threads already had to delete all the bullshit they posted once they “accidentally found this on all” and then descent on it like locusts (but they’re totally not brigading!!!1!)

        Here’s one of their mods:

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          SJW is shit just works in this context. Also yeah, do you expect her to be civil to bigots?

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          and guess what

          Kill yourself, bigots. I will not be civil to those who view me as lesser. I view you as lowly as you do me.

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        https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/1854795

        How about flooding a meta thread that’s not on their own instance to insult people who disagree with them?

        Part of the drama with that incident included hexbear folks straight up saying “I thought the whole point of federating with other instances was so that we could dunk on liberals”. Majority of folks on hexbear did not see any issues with the behavior of their members on this post.

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          Oh wow, there’s more hexbear comments than blahaj comments. Almost every blahaj comment has like 3-4 responses. I read a comment of someone saying that the thread looks wildly different if you see it from an instance that defederated them, and it’s so sad that it is completely different.

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          How about flooding a meta thread that’s not on their own instance to insult people who disagree with them?

          if you consider this a flood imma be real with you, you are very new to the internet

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          I have been there and not seen anything worth banning an instance.

          Can you give a direct link to somersaulting you think should result in de-federation?

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            You may have me confused with someone else. I didn’t say anything about defederation or banning instances.

            What in your opinion is behavior or views that is worthy of defederation? There appears to be many different standards for that from what I’ve seen.

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              Any account I don’t agree with is a saeloin. Got it.

              Someone provided what I was asking for and I changed my stance in a reply 10 minutes before you commented.

              See my reply to @SkyezOpen in this thread.

              Thank you.

              Finally something ban worthy.

              I agree completely that any instance that hosts that type of content should be de-federated.

              Now, I am sure you will retract your accusation…

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              Just throwing out the word tankie is pretty much meaningless at this point. It might as well be “woke”. If you have specific issues explain that rather than just trying to shut down a conversation with a word. Some users might be a bit too sympathetic too China but I’ve typically seen them more come from a reasonable non US propaganda viewpoint and have been open to actual criticism about China. Some of it can seem like whataboutism but to be fair a lot of the complaints I see about China are shit the US does as well so it can be a fair point.

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                In terms of the “tankie problem”, it’s mostly supporting Russian aggression in Ukraine pretty much solely to “own the libs” and “get back at the evil NATO”. Most “tankies”, a term that has become effectively meaningless from overuse, are more accurately political contrarians who care less about things getting better for more people and more about Owning The Libs.

                There’s honestly a good chunk of them on most fediverse instances just due to the general community vibe, with Hexbear having more than, say, lemmy.world, but less than lemmygrad. Hexbear stands out moreso to being the successor to Chapo Trap House, a community notorious for being so utterly vile to interact with that nobody wants anything to do with them.

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                  I appreciate you actually explaining your position behind the use of the word. I have a lot of issues with NATO and some with Ukraine but I agree that Russia is the aggressor in this situation. I have noticed that some of their users are pro-Russia but most of what I’ve seen is more anti-NATO which I can understand. As I said in another comment I definitely see some of the users troll more than I agree with and I personally prefer to deal with things in a different manner but overall I’m fine with being federated with them.

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                Literally scrolled for 10 seconds and hey genocide denial. https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/pictrs/image/c9fc2504-6828-4d30-ad4a-9224e2a2e58f.png

                Not to mention unironic Russia shilling. When I called out a mod he responded with “oh yeah well America worked with nazis.”

                Cool. That’s bad too. They’re contrarian to the point of parody. Literally any wrong by China Russia or north Korea is justified by “well America did the same thing” as if leftists as a whole aren’t already on board with that thing being bad, but it still doesn’t excuse that bad thing now.

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                  Thank you.

                  Finally something ban worthy.

                  I agree completely that any instance that hosts that type of content should be de-federated.

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          Meh. I have seen the same said about Musk, Trump and others.

          While I don’t agree with that being said about anyone, I think it is still up to a person to decide if they want to block hexbear.

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            For sure, I’m not advocating blocking or defederating at all. But you asked for examples of hexbear being unsavory and I provided one. That is all. It would be more of an accumulation instead of one singular instance that might push some over the edge.

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            It’s not everyone on the internet’s responsibility to change their opinion to match yours. It is incredibly narrow minded to assume that someone would just do “research” and end with the same opinion of a group of people as you.

            If you see someone express an opinion, and you don’t know why, you ask them, not go to other sources to find why.

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              If you rely on others to fill you in with knowledge, you must not have learned anything after school.

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                If you rely on others…

                Yeah, I’m sure you formed that opinion on a factual basis that you found through no help from what others posted or said. When I want to learn something, I do research on books and online media. When I want to understand someone’s opinion, I ask them. If you don’t know the difference between those two, your problems stem way earlier than “after school”.

                You sound like the closeted book nerd that doesn’t understand public opinion. Like all the people on Twitter who once read something about “blacks are more violent than other races”, and if you ask them why they think that, how many stats they read that confirm that, possibilities of other reasons for a study’s conclusion, they respond with “It’s not the rest of the internet’s responsibility to do your research for you”- sound familiar?

                If you want to accuse this “intensely human” person of lying, just do it. But claiming that anyone who hasn’t seen an example within thousands (tens of thousands? hundreds of thousands? Only been around for 2 months, but millions of site uses) of posts of users being “tankies” just needs to “research” is obtuse and moronic. If someone makes the claim, surely they have an example, and don’t expect everyone who sees this meme to read thousands of messages before continuing on their journey through !memes.

                Except you, of course, who has clearly learned after school not to rely on others, so you must have read all of the comments from various hexbear users yourself, and not taken that opinion from some other poster’s list, right? You did waste all that time before suggesting others do the same for no reason, right?

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      Why would we treat you bigoted removed with any sort of dignity. You do not own the right to my respect, we give it to those who earn it.

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    A social network that was formed as a fork of lemmy, before lemmy had really entered the fediverse (tho they were planning to). Both Lemmy and Hexbear had communists among their founders, but the Hexbear devs found it more… Central to their objectives. When Lemmy federated, Hexbear didn’t. It planned to initially, but ended up being pretty satisfied of being a small, yet centralized social network, basically a communist Reddit. But the idea of joining the Fediverse appeared tempting once again with the boom that happened on Mastodon when the muskrat ate the bird, and to a greater extent when Reddit changed their API policy and lost a lot of the user’s trust, causing many redditors to move to Lemmy.

    Hexbear devs then worked to essentially make it a Lemmy instance, but there were always disagreements about who to federate with. They first federated with Lemmygrad and Lemmy .ml. Lemmy .world quickly blocked them. They temporarily federated with sh .itjust .works, but this wasn’t well received on either side, so this was soon undone.

    Ideology wise, pretty much everyone on Hexbear is some kind of communist. However, altho the “tankie”, pro-russia type is often seen, it’s not that homogeneous (there are even anarchist channels over there), arguably less than lemmygrad.

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      Everything you said was accurate except the pro Russia = tankie stuff. I just want to be able to say that the kulaks deserved and such without being tied to capitalist trash like Putin…

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        Yeah, I didn’t mean to say that all tankies are pro current Russia, but just that there is a specific type of tankies that is, and these are often the annoying ones.

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          I’ve actually yet to see anybody you’d call a tankie being pro Putin or pro current Russian government. What people are pro is Russia acting as a counter to NATO and facilitating multipolarity.

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            I think people are thrown off by anti NATO stance. I almost don’t blame people for confusing NATO opposition for Russia support, especially during on ongoing Russian invasion, which does seem to justify NATO’s existence. Nevermind NATO’s history of imperialist action, people are very tied up in the Ukraine war and are unwilling to cede any ground to anything that may appear even a little soft on Russia.

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                My issue with hexbearians was that in every single thread I saw them in they would do nothing but whatabout regardless of the context. I understand they may have good points about certain things and to their credit some had very well written and informative comments but most of the time they weren’t directly relevant to the topic. It could be a loud minority but it doesn’t change the fact it’s annoying to see huge threads of whatabout arguments all the time by them.

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                  In my view, having consistent moral standards is a prerequisite for having an honest discussion on any topic. If anything, the actual whataboutism is pointing fingers at other countries while refusing to acknowledge what your own country is doing. People should focus on fixing problems at home and holding their own governments accountable first and foremost because that’s where they have most agency.

                  This is what people who you accuse of whataboutism point out. Focusing on countries you don’t like and talking about how bad they are when your own country does the same things simply serves to deflect attention and to create the impression that your own society is somehow better and more enlightened. This is how the west often justifies the atrocities it commits.

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                  getting called out for your bullshit on any topic pertains to the discussion, we’ve had problems with all crowds.

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                  You know whataboutism isn’t an actual logical fallacy and was originally used in defense of British colonialism “well the IRA also does bad things” right?

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                This is really a non-sequitur but I have zero idea how people choose to upvote it downvote anymore. You and I were in agreement and somehow I got upvoted and you got downvoted? I don’t get it

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        Yeah by pro Russia they meant pro current governement of Russia, aka Putin

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      They’ve beefed with a few other instances they tried federating with too such as Lemmy.ee and lemmy.blahaj.zone. Their user base tends to be a bit more abrasive than most Lemmy instances, making federation controversial even among similarly minded instances such as lemmy.blahaj.zone

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      Ideology wise, pretty much everyone on Hexbear is some kind of communist. However, altho the “tankie”, pro-russia type is often seen, it’s not that homogeneous (there are even anarchist channels over there), arguably less than lemmygrad.

      even the anarchists are pro soviet at least lol, I love my comrades

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      Because, Id wager, their userbase is primarily edgy leftist teenagers, really kind of like if 4chan was left and not right.

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        Can confirm, was an edgy leftist teenager on hexbear right when it was started – after r/chapotraphouse was banned.

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        They’re so far to the left I don’t even consider them left anymore. They’ve fully wrapped around to be indistinguishable from the right (but not racist so much as intensely totalitarian).

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            When did I say I was minimizing the Holocaust?

            I’m saying that both are authoritarian. Both are incompatible with Democracy and the current rules based international order, which when working correctly can prevent genocide from occurring (i.e. if the UN peacekeeping missions actually do their job).

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              rules based international order

              What rules? Who do I report the USA to for repeatedly violating all of the rules and killing millions of people around the globe?

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              When did I say I was minimizing the Holocaust?

              You are equating them. Read the link from the mainstream Jewish holocaust scholar to understand why that’s holocaust trivialization.

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                the Bogus moral equivalence of the Holocaust has been from the time of the actual massacres the myth that the Jews were all Communists and got what they deserved because Communism was every bit as genocidal as Nazism. Hence what the Jews call the Holocaust is a kind of opposite and equal reaction to the first genocide, the crimes of Communism.

                First of all, this was not what I was implying. I never said that Communists were equally as genocidal as Nazis, nor that I deny that the Holocaust occurred. Putting words in my mouth is arguing in bad faith.

                I am saying that the Tankies on the left support the same type of authoritarian policies that are prevalent on the right. While actions like, for example, the Tiananmen square massacre are not as large in scope as the Holocaust, accepting the CCP party line on the issue is antithetical to human rights, just as any massacre is. Supporting authoritarian regimes that do this is, in fact, just as bad regardless of whether the party is “left” or “right”.

                Did the Holocaust occur? Yes. Did it result in the death of millions of Jews at the hands of the Nazis? Yes. I’m not disputing any of these facts, so please do not suggest that I am denying the Holocaust.

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                  You literally said this

                  They’ve fully wrapped around to be indistinguishable from the right

                  You are free to retract this. Could you say for me “Communists are in no way morally equivalent to fascists”?

                  Also to be clear I’m accusing you of trivializing the holocaust not denying the holocaust.

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    A lemmy instance full of trolls and people celebrating chinese and russian fascism in the name of socialism

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      i once read a thread where they were saying to defederate from everyone. then why federate in the first place

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        Their instance, I gather, is set to NOT federate with anyone by default, and their admins need to manually add other instances to their federation. Most instances are set to federate by default, so they need to un-federate with another instance here and there.

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        Some whine that they did not want federation in the first place and the mods did it without their consent. Slightly ironic considering they do not like democracy (although they claim you can have democracy without voting…somehow).

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            Every hexbear person I have come across thinks China is a democracy despite people not being able to at least vote for their representatives.

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              There are literally millions of elections in China every year, what the actual fuck are you talking about? Who told you they don’t vote for their representatives? They lied to you.

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          what the hell are you talking about

          every person there will describe their democratic beliefs, all of whom have a voting system with representatives. That is basic leftism. Are you lying or just born a fool?

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            I think I recall seeing you post calling for the death of other users. Not going to put much stock in what you say.

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                Everyone you consider a ‘lib.’ Real discerning. /s

                Although I’m pretty sure that was your hexbear alt. Don’t you also want to defederate from everyone? Why are you here?

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                  Oh this was an excursion to see my “caught in 4k” glory. Nothing more. I want hexbear out of anyone’s reach, but that does not mean I want you guys out of my reach.

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        Jewish people arent the only people who ever were victim to fascism… To say china commits a holocaust is holocause trivialization. To say it is a fascist country is not.

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          To say it is a fascist country is making fascism look better then it is. Fascism doesn’t have 95 percent of the population approving of the government. Fascism doesn’t exempt minorities from the one child policy. Fascism doesn’t end extreme poverty in a country of 1.4 billion people. Fascism doesn’t lead to trans youth Healthcare clinics sprouting up in major cities.

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    Its a 6 sided bear, the peak of the polygonal phylogeny.

    Monomouse

    Duodugong

    Traye-aye

    Quadferret

    Pentacoyote

    Hexbear

    Heptaherpeton - this is the furthest we’ve discovered in the polygonal phylogeny but research indicates the likely existence of an octorca as well

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      Octoria are scientifically impossible, the grazing territory requirements alone for a sustainable breeding colony would be immense. Any reports of them in the wild are either misidentified pairs of quadferrets copulating, or hoaxes perpetuating the psuedoscience.

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        quadferrets copulating

        That’s where you’re messing up. Those are pentacoyotes, not quadferrets. The contact side between two polygonimals mating is actually obscured, so the actual number of sides in a copulation configuration is the sum of the sides of all involved polygonimals - 2. Therefore the octorca could not be two mating quadferrets, but could be two pentacoyotes, or a chain of duodugongs.

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          Youre quite right, rookie mistake by me. You would think a Polyphylogenonomist would know better.

          However, wouldnt it be more accurate to say that the actual number of sides in any given copulation configuration containing n polygonimals would be n*(sides per polygonimal)-(n-1)? Assuming we exclude tricopulations of hexbears where any given individual may be contacting two other individuals’ sides at the same time in a tessalation layout? I must admit im not certain though, my field is polyphylogenomics, not polyphylogenomatics. Im sure there are some edge cases Ive missed, pardon the pun.

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            My bad, I was thinking in terms of simple intraspecies pairing like they taught us as undergrads. Once you get into polypolys and tessellations the math is frankly beyond me. Well spotted though.

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    I’ve read all the comments here and still don’t have a clue what a hexbear is

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      So you know the Lemmy instance Lemmy.world? Well, there is another instance called hexbear… Which is full of hardcore, Stalinist communist. And every user of every other instance hates them

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        Why do people always put labels on them as if that’s the reason they are idiots. It’s not. There just a bunch of obnoxious trolls that have made it their mission to annoy other instances.

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        Ah. So like the famous lines „everything that touches the light“ „what about the dark spot over there?“ „don’t ever go there“

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          There’s nothing inherently wrong with Marxism though (not that you said there was, I just get the impression some people are calling them socialists as if it’s inherently an evil thing), they’re entitled to their opinions on an alternative to capitalism, it doesn’t make them bad or weird people.

          I gather from what I’ve read here that people mostly don’t get along with them because they are awful, terrible people (and honestly may not even be proper Marxists but maybe just posers, using it as a perfunctory label, idk).

          I’d gladly be friends with a Marxist, but friends with an authoritarian, or a xenophobe, etc? Absolutely not. Regardless of their other political or economic opinions.

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            I’m an anarchist myself, so marxists are my brothers and sisters. So far, I’ve only seen displays of great inclusiveness from them (apart from telling me to fuck off, lol). However there’s a lot of different types over on hexbear, some of them definitely being angry edgy teenagers. Still, definitely not a xenophobic bunch. I feel the general sentiment isn’t warranted.

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              Similar experience. Great experiences until saying something that gets misconstrued due to lack of context and pitchforks come out. Then, some continue positive interactions and mods step in to curb unwarranted hostility. Still, despite getting singed a bit, it’s overall been incredibly inclusive.

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        “ And every user of every other instance hates them”

        This doesn’t even rise to the level of pseudo intellectual.

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      Instance is hexbear.net, check it out for yourself, doesn’t work in browser for me without an account but it does work in liftoff without one for some reason.

      It is weird that a lot of commenters here want to tell you what they are but don’t say how to find this information by yourself.

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        Then they might find out the “they’re all just tankies!” line is a lie, there’s shitty people on all instances, just so happens this one leans very left beyond neo liberalism and therefore it’s bad!

        Throw in that they all totally support Putin and Mao and don’t really support LGBT! And you’ve got most normies nodding along with defederating

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    my problem with this thread; u can’t tell who is actually communist and authoritarian, and who is just authoritarian

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      Leninist/Stalinist/Maoist/“Left” Authoritarian Communism is just authoritarian nationalist state capitalism that uses classist rhetoric instead of (or as well as) racist rhetoric.

      And before people call me a tankie: Anything authoritarian is trash-tier shit.

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      The difference is whether you get sent to a concentration camp or a gulag.

      Oh, I guess they are pretty similar…

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        Uh, depending on the concentration camp, not really.

        I don’t want to defend gulags but they didn’t have poison shower rooms or child corpse disposal staff.

        Working your slaves to death sometimes, sure, but you mostly came out the gulag alive.

        Broken, but alive. Historians estimate that of about 20 million people sent to the gulags about 1.5 million died in them.

        Which is a horrific example of compliance through terror but not quite the same thing as an extermination program.

        Don’t minimize the Holocaust on your way to agree with everyone else that tankies are delusional assholes.

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          I don’t want to defend gulags but they didn’t have poison shower rooms or child corpse disposal staff.

          Neither did concentration camps:

          "Interned persons may be held in prisons or in facilities known as internment camps (also known as concentration camps). The term concentration camp originates from the Spanish–Cuban Ten Years’ War when Spanish forces detained Cuban civilians in camps in order to more easily combat guerrilla forces. Over the following decades the British during the Second Boer War and the Americans during the Philippine–American War also used concentration camps.

          The term “concentration camp” and “internment camp” are used to refer to a variety of systems that greatly differ in their severity, mortality rate, and architecture; their defining characteristic is that inmates are held outside the rule of law. Extermination camps or death camps, whose primary purpose is killing, are also imprecisely referred to as “concentration camps”."

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment

          Don’t minimize the Holocaust on your way to agree with everyone else that tankies are delusional assholes.

          The singularity of the Holocaust lies in the extermination camps, where millions of people were murdered with industrial efficiency:

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extermination_camp

          Saying that concentration camps exist(ed) in other countries is not Holocaust relativism.

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              No, I don’t know which ones “he” meant, because nobody mentioned Nazis, and apparently you still haven’t understood the difference between concentration and death camps, and assuming everyone here is male is also kind of yuck you know.

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                Sure bro. You’re making an honest argument in a comment chain that has used the phrase “authoritarian nationalist state capitalism.”

                Fuck all the way off, this isn’t Facebook, people know what you’re doing.

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                  This comment chain doesn’t have the words “authoritarian nationalist state capitalism.” in it, and you don’t know shit about anything, go back to facebook.

                  I’m also not your fucking “bro”, asshole, get lost.

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          Not every right wing extremist caused the holocaust, and besides, if you compare all right wing extremists with the nazis at their peak power, you could also consider yourself a stalinist for downplaying his actions by simplifying history as some people I disagree with

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            If you compare right wingers with little power to left wingers with little power you get mass shooters vs mutual aid enthusiasts.

            If you compare right wingers with a lot of power to left wingers with a lot of power, the fascists have a spectacular kill count and the left wingers are less bad than the bourgeois democracy baseline.

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    I don’t really care about the hexbears either way, the ones I’ve seen haven’t been too bad though I’ve heard there are some really bad ones

    What bothers me more is how quick mods seem to be to shut down any discussion about them whatsoever

    Went on the Lemmy matrix to ask about them one time and I just got one guy flooding the chat with “you should observe for yourself and form your own opinions”

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      Many of them call for the imprisonment and death of everyone that disagrees with them who they label as fascist.

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      It’s because a lot of Lemmy admins are actually on the take from dumbass tankies. Actually the two Lemmy devs are tankies too, or so the word on the street says.

      No one wants to even consider that, though.

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        Who said I wasn’t also doing that? It’s not mutually exclusive, just a quick way to get a read on people’s sentiment towards them and to try to figure out why people shut down discussion about them so consistently

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                You are not a hexbear, nor are you a moderator

                If the people shutting down discussions like that are tankies then they’re a damn sight more subtle about it than literally having “Stalinism” in their username

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                  who said i’m trying to be subtle? Its not my style.

                  I am a hexbear, double passport.

                  Technically I mod the trans sublemmy on hex, but I have a little music sub on this account too. I dont care too much for it though, its all 1s and 0s.

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          Because the truth is easier to find in person rather than through many other people’s filters, and the way you wrote it, it seemed like you thought that was a very stupid suggestion… Glad to hear you think it isn’t

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            I thought it was a stupid assumption on their part that I wasn’t also poking around myself

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            Yes that’s why science progresses the fastest when nobody’s collaborating and everybody starts from scratch

            … Wait

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                Sounds like you expect a bar to never kick out annoying people because then the other customers didn’t get a chance to form their own opinion

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                  No? Because a bar isn’t a good metaphor and people can be shitty and it’s really easy to see for yourself on the Internet

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            Do your own research

            Saved anyone that might float in at this point the read.

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    A large part of it is a fanbase of Chapo Trap House which has a particular brand of humor that is rampant with esoteric inside jokes that are vulgar as a point, let alone to the extreme.

    That humor, especially without that frame of reference, usually offends your average internet denizen.

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        Sure, but to my point: if you don’t know or are unaware of the kind of humor associated with their core userbase, you might not be able to tell the difference at face value.

        I maintain the best way for the uninformed to try and understand Hexbear users is to learn about or listen Chapo Trap House regardless of your politics/agreement. It puts a lot of their antics into context.

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    Edge lords who couldn’t handle someone telling them they were wrong, so they had big sook and defedederated after a day.

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    Left-wing social site (might be fedi, never bothered checking) for leftists who are way too edgy for mainstream leftist communities.

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        Wait, let me get this right

        • too far right: trump fangirls, fascists and Elon stans
        • too far left: Russia-stans and pro-communism-with-corruption groups?
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              Authoritarianism isn’t the same as fascism. But the good guys don’t side with the dictators and definitely not with the side hurting others even if they think giving in means the pain would stop.

              Trivializing the Holocaust means to let bullies keep going unopposed and those that would trap and use others for labor or eradication which obviously can come from both sides but doesn’t mean you pretend the easiest answer is right.

              Right answers are hard and are likely at the end of hard work and effort, constantly. So maybe stop hiding behind a simple answer and a single fact that makes you feel you have a rule we are all breaking and realize it’s gonna take a long and complicated answer and then come back and join the conversation.

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              We are not equating “communists” with fascism, we are equating authoritarian communists with fascism. They are both as bad because they are both authoritarian regimes that are based around opressing the people.

              And holicaust trivialization? Didn’t the URSS kill a shit ton of people as well? Isn’t China commiting crimes against humanity as well?

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                If you think the USSR is an “authoritarian”(whatever that means) communist country and you are equating it to fascists you are doing what the Jewish holocaust scholar is calling holocaust trivialization. They are primarily talking about equating the USSR and fascism. Did you read the article?

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          Fuck the soviet union - harder than how the soviet troops fucked both my grandmothers when they “liberated” my birth country, and harder than how the soviet rule fucked the economy afterwards.

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              Now you got me interested: how exactly could this be anything but serious?

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                  I don’t see what I could do to increase the chances of you believing me - thankfully nothing at all depends on it happening.

                  Oh wait, for the last one I can actually cite some sources:

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    They are a cult who worship a bear god. The bear god name is Hex. So their religion is called Hexbear.

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    What are the odds of incoming drama in this post about tankies? I’ll say -110.

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    10 months ago

    Have a bunch of them made alts on Lemmy .ml? I feel like this comment section ripe with bears that are on .ml. I suppose being able to make alts is one of the advantages of being decentralized.