Good luck getting that to ever happen in the United States. Also buses would be very impractical and near impossible to cover long distances.
Plus traffic.
As an edit: I’m not saying that busses are bad or impractical. They’re the best form of short range public transit. I’m saying that buses in the this scenario would be extremely impractical and logistically impossible to implement.
The people here have never driven through gridlocked rush hour traffic on the Manhattan or Brooklyn bridges, and think that a bus is going to magically make it to its destination without getting stuck for hours or chasing traffic jams on its own.
That depends heavily on the Burrough. Plus there are several spots of the Bronx and Brooklyn that are complete dead zones because the stations are in poor working class areas, and not the ultra wealthy areas in Queens and Manhattan (where surprisingly enough the stations can be beautiful and well maintained because well…. Rich people serving their own)
NYC covers about 800 square km. Moscow is 2,500 square km and much bigger than that if you count the adjoining metropolitan areas. The standard “America is different because so big” argument doesn’t work against the largest country on earth by area.
Moscow traffic is also notoriously shit so it’s not like that’s a differentiating factor either.
Plus, the likes of London and Paris also have old metro systems that are much better maintained than NYC, so idk what combination of excuses NYC has.
It’s a damned if you do, damned if you don’t scenario.
These stations need to be upgraded, repaired, and overhauled, but it’s not as simple as “close these stations down and invent a magical bus system for the time bieng”. It’s an extremely sensitive situation and I don’t feel like people are understanding. It’s not that it shouldn’t happen, but the level of disruption would be catastrophic for thousands of people. It’s a bad situation.
What is the population density of New York vs Moscow?
New York is 27,000 per square kilometer. Moscow is around 8.5 thousand.
Combine that extreme density with infrastructure that was built hundreds of years ago, and additionally several chokepoints at only a few major bridges and tunnels.
I disagree. The best form of short range public transit is the cross breed of a streetcar and a wedge-type snowplow. Forget stopping for cars that ignore the “red light for streetcar crossing” lights, just bifurcate them and keep moving.
Good luck getting that to ever happen in the United States. Also buses would be very impractical and near impossible to cover long distances.
Plus traffic.
As an edit: I’m not saying that busses are bad or impractical. They’re the best form of short range public transit. I’m saying that buses in the this scenario would be extremely impractical and logistically impossible to implement.
The people here have never driven through gridlocked rush hour traffic on the Manhattan or Brooklyn bridges, and think that a bus is going to magically make it to its destination without getting stuck for hours or chasing traffic jams on its own.
You only have to go to the next station, which if we’re talking about NYC metro, shouldn’t be that far away
That depends heavily on the Burrough. Plus there are several spots of the Bronx and Brooklyn that are complete dead zones because the stations are in poor working class areas, and not the ultra wealthy areas in Queens and Manhattan (where surprisingly enough the stations can be beautiful and well maintained because well…. Rich people serving their own)
NYC covers about 800 square km. Moscow is 2,500 square km and much bigger than that if you count the adjoining metropolitan areas. The standard “America is different because so big” argument doesn’t work against the largest country on earth by area.
Moscow traffic is also notoriously shit so it’s not like that’s a differentiating factor either.
Plus, the likes of London and Paris also have old metro systems that are much better maintained than NYC, so idk what combination of excuses NYC has.
I think it is more of a “this won’t work because traffic in New York is too bad.”
Which is like…yeah? That’s kind of why the metro desperately needs an upgrade, so more people can use it and prevent the gridlock?
I agree.
It’s a damned if you do, damned if you don’t scenario.
These stations need to be upgraded, repaired, and overhauled, but it’s not as simple as “close these stations down and invent a magical bus system for the time bieng”. It’s an extremely sensitive situation and I don’t feel like people are understanding. It’s not that it shouldn’t happen, but the level of disruption would be catastrophic for thousands of people. It’s a bad situation.
This isn’t an “America is big” problem?
What is the population density of New York vs Moscow?
New York is 27,000 per square kilometer. Moscow is around 8.5 thousand.
Combine that extreme density with infrastructure that was built hundreds of years ago, and additionally several chokepoints at only a few major bridges and tunnels.
I disagree. The best form of short range public transit is the cross breed of a streetcar and a wedge-type snowplow. Forget stopping for cars that ignore the “red light for streetcar crossing” lights, just bifurcate them and keep moving.