Had some fun with this. Rules:

  1. When a tankie post comes up, post a legitimate, fair argument. Do not argue in bad faith. No matter how nasty the post may be. Legitimately combat the disinformation there by going into their bubble and posting a sane response.
  2. Watch the responses come in. Especially if the post is on the tankie triad.
  3. Don’t feed the trolls. Don’t respond to anything, unless there is actually a legitimate attempt to have a legitimate discussion. Otherwise, start a game of tankie bingo to help prevent yourself from responding to the madness.

Suggestions for expansion welcome.

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    political dissent is “allowed” in China

    I just watched a woman get fucking executed in her car for absolutely fucking nothing.

    America has 1 fifth of the population of China and yet has more total prisoners. And you call CHINA the authoritarian country???

    Wake the fuck up

    using pet names condescendingly

    No that’s a distinctly liberal trait “sweetie”.

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      I just watched a woman get fucking executed in her car for absolutely fucking nothing.

      Libs just think these are isolated incidents in the US but if something similar happens in Bad Country it’s because the leader of Bad Country personally ordered it to happen. They don’t have any thoughts in those big empty heads of theirs

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    Tankies don’t operate on the basis of parties. They are authoritarians, so when they mean CCP, they mean Xi. When they mean Russia, they mean Putin.

    Legitimately one of the dumbest things I’ve ever read. Western China-watchers are constantly going on about Xi’s personal ambitions to take Taiwan (nonsense), or going on about ‘Putin’s War’, but we’re the ones who see things through the lense of individual “great men”?

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      It definitely feels like projection

      All I EVER hear from Libs is how “if this one bad man goes, everything would be fine”, without realising these people are in power with the support of the political class surrounding them.

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        There was a bit around the online discourse regarding the breakaway republics in Donbas but it was more a flash in the pan, or some sort of tangential thing to the rhetoric about Nazis in Ukraine

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        I’ve probably praised Putin a few times for successes in the SMO, but my opinion of him is still negative overall for all of the ceding ground to reactionaries and capitalists in Russia, war crimes, and in general being a centrist lib.

        I also don’t exactly consider myself a communist so I guess this isn’t a counterexample.

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              That’s because he assumed NATO would do the logical thing of making sure Russia’s huge resource rich territory and strategic location wouldn’t help their other rival China by getting Russia on their side.

              Throwing a tantrum and forcing Russia to get closer to China even though they would have happily sided with them just because the NATO ghouls were still salty about Putin not letting them turn Russia into a cheap labor vassal and loot its resources was objectively a stupid thing to do, hence why someone thinking about geopolitics logically would have had trouble seeing it coming.

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                Not letting Russia into the imperialism club was a huge strategic mistake in terms of maintaining capitalist hegemony. But was also an inevitable product of capitalist greed - NATO ghouls didn’t want to share the imperialism, they wanted to subject Russia to it too. The logic was simple - line go up was more important than long-term stability.

                Thankfully, that greedy decision seems to be seriously leading to NATO’s downfall in the long run.

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      In one sentence they bemoan demcen as anti democratic and in the next they say we operate on great men and not on parties and social forces. It’s classic fascist doublethink. The enemy is both weak and strong. Tankies love one party systems and centering the whole country on its communist party, but tankies also love individual party leaders and admire a strongman dictator if he’s wearing commie symbols and his throne is painted red.

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          They don’t have to know what demcen is to insist they don’t like it. They just never actually call it democratic centralism.

          But yeah, no, none of these people know what those words mean, true. If you say that phrase you won’t get anywhere. It’s funny just how often they’ll scream about the horrible ways socialist one party systems work, then turn around and complain that their own country’s political parties can’t handle their disagreements internally and present a united front.

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    EDIT: well, to the surprise of no one, it’s made its way to the slop community at Hexbear. Aaaand again, they totally miss the glaringly obvious point.

    @unknownuserunknownlocation@kbin.earth what’s the point if it’s so obvious? There’s various comments here that went through the arduous task of breaking down the things you wrote in your meme and responding to them. I take it that us “tankies” are simply too unskilled at the English language and rhetoric for it to even be necessary to address these before you claim victory?

    Go ahead, you’re federated with us!

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    Had some fun with this. Rules:

    When a tankie post comes up, post a legitimate, fair argument.

    They means tested their own bingo game out of existence he-laughed

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    Aprapos of nothing, last year a Chinese woman was throwing racist insults and slurs at a black woman on camera in China. She was then made to apologize to the victim by the police or face charges.

    In the same year, a woman was throwing racial slurs at a black child in America. She was then able to make over a million dollars on a crowd funding website.

    Also in 2025, China pledged $100 million USD to Palestine on top of existing UNRWA support, after hosting talks and a unity deal between Hamas and Fatah in 2024

    In the same year in America… They don’t recognise Palestine as a state at all and are actively supporting the entity committing genocide against them.

    Could China be doing more? Yeah, absolutely, and I wish for China to do more. The bar is fairly low, it’s very easy to clear it. Is the US actively dragging that bar down? Yeah, absolutely, and I wish a very [redacted] for the whole US empire.

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      Aprapos of nothing, last year a Chinese woman was throwing racist insults and slurs at a black woman on camera in China. She was then made to apologize to the victim by the police or face charges.

      measurehead-says lenin shotgun Based

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    I just want one of these guys to actually provide an argument against us tankies that:

    1. Shows they actually understand our position and why we hold it.

    2. Doesn’t lie or manipulate or ignore information to prove their point.

    3. Doesn’t rely on attacking the individual rather than the argument they are making

    4. Dismissing the entire conversation because they recognise they are losing ground and find some small thing to attack (like tone policing).

    Like if being a “tankie” is so obviously wrong, like they all insist, then proving our position wrong should be incredibly easy. But every single time they show that they haven’t the slightest clue what a “tankie” actually believes and often have 0 understanding of the event they are smugly insisting they are an expert on, and flatly refuse to even consider anything we provide as evidence for our position, even to debunk it. Just once I’d like one of these people to actually come in and engage with us and provide solid proof of why being a liberal is correct and being a communist is incorrect. Seriously, I don’t want to fight and die in a revolution, I would prefer liberalism to be true, it would make things so much easier. But not a single liberal I’ve seen shows they even understand the “tankie” position, let alone is capable of proving it wrong.

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      sure why not

      But only if it’s you and me, I’m not going to reply to anyone else. I think it’s also a good idea to set a baseline of things we agree on so we can actually talk in good faith.

      I’ll start: I hate the US, like a lot, probably more than you!

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          That first link is hilarious. Goat is agreeing with us in the comments because even they know that there’s no evidence for the liberal fantasies about Tank Man being executed.

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          Antiyanks is mentally ill, he’s his own master

          i’ve tried talking to him before and sometimes got places, but it doesn’t take much until he’s going off again. He’s made approximately 4000 accounts so far, really rather impressive

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        yet you find reasons to say that “Israel and the US are not as buddy buddy as it might seem” as to exonerate the US for siccing its attack dog on Palestine, Lebanon, Yemen, Syria, and Iran (which are foreign policy wins that directly align with the goals of the US ruling class) and say Palestinians ought to lie down and take it with no resistance.

        You’re a nazi. You were still repeating Hasbara claims that Hamas committed mass sexual assault during October 7th only to justify your point that Palestinian Resistance could only be legitimate if they sold their country out to Western interests. If you were alive during the Holocaust you’d be concern trolling about how Jews shouldn’t have been taking control of European industry and finance if they didn’t want to get gassed. Just blatantly repeating propaganda that aligns with the goals of capitalist empire, no critical thought and no moral spine.

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            Because you’re a Zionazi spineless lib. You have such little moral spine you’re afraid of getting banned on an account you literally never use anyway. You don’t even want to defend the imaginary Israelis in your head you think Hamas hurts with their terrorism.

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              i don’t much care for israel

              but aren’t i showing a spine by engaging with you? politely, might i add

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          Why do you hate the US?

          Some of the many reasons I hate the US is how it’s a Corporatocracy and how they regularly interfere with foreign affairs

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            Not aiding and abetting a genocide, using the status of its currency as the global reserve currency to exploit the global south, the concentration camps, the incarceration rate, the warmongering, kidnapping sovereign leaders, police violence, illegal occupation of indigenous lands and broken treaties, the immense CO2 emissions per capita, or how about the fact that it’s a burger addicted healthcareless wasteland ruled by a literal cabal of pedophile child murderers?

            No, your criticism of the US is restrained to a made up term from political science (oh no! my capitalist ruling class is exerting political power and has taken control of the state! That’s totally different from every single other capitalist country that definitely isn’t ruled by the capitalist ruling class, no sir) and “regularly interfering with foreign affairs” which is language so subtle it almost makes you forget the US killed 1/5 people in North Korea during the Korean war and no one even talks about it because they’ve done even worse things than that.

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              Yeah, those are some of the reasons I hate it as well

              How do you feel about yanks tho? Is there a distinction between the US government and its populace or are they all doomed?

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                The US is a democratic country that genuinely reflects the interests of their people when it’s time to spread that freedom and democracy to the rest of the world and occupy other countries. Yet when it’s time to introspect about the innocent lives the country has ended, suddenly it takes on the affect of the innocent US soldier who just slaughtered a family because he needed the money for his education and a Camaro. Either yanks live in a democratic country and they’re culpable for the things I listed, or they live in a dictatorship of capital and do nothing but vote in response which is even more embarrassing.

                How do average yanks feel about Puerto Ricans? Want to annex us into the dying empire to make our tax money go into bombs that will be used on us and the rest of Latin America? Or think we’re too brown for that so just gonna keep us as a military base to murder people in Venezuela and Cuba forever?

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                  You’re Puerto Rican? Admittedly, I know little about the history of Puerto Rico

                  the US is also not a democracy, that’s propaganda.

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      Oh and the free square is “won’t leave their CIA backed echo chamber.” I can prove that one is free because not a single one of this will come here and defend themselves. See I’ll prove it @unknownuserunknownlocation@kbin.earth come defend yourself, show us that you’re actually the More Reasonable, More Civil Person

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          I find it frustrating how common an occurence it is for some asshole to wander into a public forum, declare an obvious untruth, ignore all well-meaning replies, only engage with low-effort dunks and typically to respond with some variation of “you like communism? don’t you even know about Tibet?” and then get indignant when they’re treated like the condescending jerks they are.
          “But I didn’t say a single swear! That means I was polite, you have to respect me!”

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    “Lack of nuance” lmao what?

    curious-marx dude devoted entire chapters to the nuances of coats, he got into fights with letters over other peoples letters

    blushing-engels wrote about the intricacies of poverty in England

    lenin-sure diagnosed imperialism and used extant examples to prove it not some fairytale island and two cows of capitalist theory

    stalin-spoon nuances the fuk out of some Kulak grain and defeats Fascism, attended seminary and adulted as a bank robber, you can’t even start to talk about Joey Steels without nuance

    mao-wave wrote the book on guerilla warfare

    And finally

    rosa had the scientific nuance to correctly understand the complexities of her argument when she laid the case for revolution over reform

    party-cat party cat is also here

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      Dude I think tank man is straight up liberal kryptonite seeing how far these people are going to defend their fantasies of the guy getting executed. You hit them with the video of the tanks stopping in their tracks to wait for the road to clear, then they invariably say that they’re sure he was executed regardless, and then they unwind completely when pushed on why they think this way. It’s the cognitive dissonance that never stops giving.

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        then they invariably say that they’re sure he was executed regardless

        I’ve started spouting crazy conspiracy theories in response. “Oh yeah and Hillary Clinton is a reptile. I’ve as much evidence for that anyways, and the vibes right.” It’s not constructive, but at that point you’re arguing with a fantasist anyway

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            Actually Tank Man is Xi Jinping. Xi was 36 at the time of the protests. His early political career started in Hebei, which is close enough. Allegedly he was in fujian province, but I know for a fact he took a day-trip to Beijing. This is also why he’s building so much highspeed rail. It’s because making that trip was a real pain back in the day. Also why he stopped the tanks, he was asking for a ride.

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              Stopping a tank to ask for a ride does sound like the kind of ballsy shit some of the original Bolsheviks were known for. Glad to hear our current vanguard leaders are upholding a proud tradition of the communist movement.

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        they invariably say that they’re sure he was executed regardless

        My fucking school textbooks went this route. We weren’t actually shown the video of course but the description went something along the lines of “the tanks stopped, the guy talked with the tank crews, and he walked away never to be seen again”. It didn’t outright state that the CCP disappeared him but that’s the conclusion they clearly wanted you to reach

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    Having an objective source of truth undoes their way of doing things, so they have to dismiss anything from Wikipedia out of hand. As is tradition, their way of doing that is to assign it an insulting nickname so that anyone who brings it up is subject to bullying.

    Youseall will pry NATO pedia from my cold dead fingers. But I’d never describe it as “objective source of truth”. That’s not even how Wikipedia describes itself. I didn’t know anybody would think of it this way.

    All highschool teachers are tankies now?

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          It’s relevant in this case because the tanks in the tank man picture were leaving Tiananmen Square and the whole event here is a reaction to a thread where some user kept insisting the tanks must have either killed tank man, some other protesters, or tank man himself was executed. It’s definitely useful to point out how this doesn’t line up at all with any historical account of the event, even if it means being a bit pedantic about where the actual killings took place.

          I agree that sometimes it can be unhelpful if fellow travelers say inaccurate or dishonest things just for effect, though.

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          Crit taken, it’s worth admitting there were many deaths elsewhere, but there must be some importance in showing that libs don’t know the most basic shit about what they’re arguing.

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            Yeah, it shouldn’t be used as a “gotcha” but is really useful for libs who have started questioning their understanding of the event. Getting them to thinking about how they were taught about it, and how so much information is fabricated and so much information is left out, get them to start really thinking about the “why” their western official story of the event is so full of holes even western officials at the time weren’t saying anything like it.

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      All highschool teachers are tankies now?

      God, my teenage self wishes they were. So many goddamn assignments where I had to write what the idiot liberals running the school wanted to read, not what was actually true.

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        Exkuse mich. Venn I vent zu skool in 1936, mein lehrer told mich zat ze jews kontrol ze vorld. Are zu zaying zat mein lehrer vas ein nazi?

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    The dork in that thread wanting to add being called transphobic, babe, baby, sugar, you are telling on yourself so hard rn

    can anyone tell me the difference between an insult and a putdown? Is the former where i call them a fucker, and the later when i call them a lowlife little fuck?

    interesting… looking into it

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    smuglord Look! I totally owned the Tankie Triad with this bingo I scored on them!!!

    The bingo: They insulted me, they called me transphobic, they came from hexbear, they used putdowns, they used condescending pet names

    stupidpol Suck it, red fascists!!! Owned again!!!

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    Half of these you could sub with “has evidence for claims” and the other “wants to force me to read”

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      Every time I see liberals complaining that the evil tankies want to make them read, the supposed reeducation that they accuse commies of forcing our ideological opposition through seems like a good idea and something they really need.

      I hate “everyone is twelve” as a political situation analysis, but goddamn do these people sound like schoolkids who don’t want to do their required reading.

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    Don’t feed the trolls. Don’t respond to anything

    The cowardice of these losers is hilarious, they’re scared to death of actually engaging with even our more pedestrian takes, instead they want to hugbox themselves to death and scream at the walls

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      Hey, they actually said

      Don’t feed the trolls. Don’t respond to anything, unless there is actually a legitimate attempt to have a legitimate discussion.

      We often fail to provide well-meaning Lemmy users with legitimate arguments and good faith discussion. You know, like yesterday when @unknownuserunknownlocation@kbin.earth was telling us about how Tank Man was executed and we started responding really unfair things, like

      Why do you think tank man was killed?

      You got any sources to ground that assertion in reality, or are you completely full of shit?

      And Joe Biden wwas replaced by a body double halfway through his term <- a statement with the same amount of proof and the same basis in reality

      In the future, we should be better and try to have a legitimate discussion. I think it would be nice if we instead said something like, “Gee, I hadn’t thought about it that way! I guess you might be right, and if I imagine that China has executed any given person hard enough, it becomes true!” or something along those lines.

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        When liberals whine about tankies not being well meaning they mean “heretics dared to question gospel truth”

        Anyway, @unknownuserunknownlocation@kbin.earth murdered a college student in 2009 and chopped their body up before dumping it off the side of a cruise ship in the Caribbean. Everyone knows this happened because everyone knows that @unknownuserunknownlocation@kbin.earth is exactly the type of person who would do this sort of thing. Anyone engaging in murder-and-dismemberment denial will be banned.

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          Yeah, you actually provide a source and it’s like “that’s not even from a corporate credible source”, god forbid you link counterpunch, dropsite or whatever bc then you’re a Russian propagandist(???) and the fucking Mossad bias meter comes out.

          Forget about even linking anything in another language, only anglos are smart enough to do journalism.

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        Don’t feed the trolls. Don’t respond to anything, unless there is actually a legitimate attempt to have a legitimate discussion.

        Cowbee nevers calls people names and tries to have a discussion but every time they call him manipulative propagandist or make up lies about him

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          Yep, but it ends up useful for me anyways from a purely rhetorical perspective. I try to avoid cheap rhetorical wins in the first place, but if they shoot themselves in the foot even after I point out how it’s backfiring I can’t really do much

          shrug-outta-hecks

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        From 3 hours ago, @unknownuserunknownlocation@kbin.earth has complained about @CyborgMarx@hexbear.net misquoting their comment. They stated the following:

        For a fucking bullshit bingo game lol.

        At this point I could play the game with the hexbear thread. They’ve already misquoted me by cutting off a part of my sentence to make it look like you should never even talk to them, lest they be right. My God, learn to fucking read lol.

        Oh, and they’re discussing the difference between putdowns and insults. I dunno, I learned that shit in school. In a school in the West even! Oh, the horror!

        https://sh.itjust.works/post/53221142/23188823

        No acknowledgement of my comment where I responded to the full quote because I thought it was even better when taken as a whole.