I don’t know if this is the best community to post to but I intend this to be a serious post.
What are your impressions of people who, in short, think of themselves as marxist communists but reject any form of what they call idpol? Best exemplified by r/stupidpol on Reddit.
It’s probably there that I have to point out that we are not liberals, we combat liberalism, and so we are against liberal idpol, but not marxist analyses of identity or intersectionality – which the stupidpoller is incapable of differentiating and so fights all equally. Or maybe I should say i because I don’t speak for everyone, but this is generally my experience in my org and with online comrades.
My impression is that they stay mostly between themselves and you rarely see them outside of their spaces. But when they spill out, you spot them directly because they look like reactionaries. Think about that: they look more like fascists than communists.
Have you met people like this in real life? There is actually one in my org, kinda. I think more than having a principled position, he is mostly uninformed on these issues and he would probably be open to being corrected.
I don’t believe they do anything for the movement. They don’t seem class-conscious to me, as they regularly get in fights with other comrades. Their misanthropy towards people is ultimately misanthropy towards the working class.
What is the typical profile, if you had to make one? What leads people to adopting these positions? Personally, I am completely against such spaces because they harbour fascists (obviously, as they have more in common with national-socialists than communists) and if a young communist begins their journey there, chances are they’ll never move beyond and stay stuck in this reactionary space for all their revolutionary lives.
Watching people be upset about identity politics is hilarious. Guess what shitheads, literally every political ideal originates from identifiers. If you’re a fundamentalist Christian, and you don’t want abortion to be legalized because you see it as something that’s against your religion, you’re using your identity to inform your politics. If you’re a worker and you believe you should be paid more for your work, you’re using your identity as someone who makes little money to influence your political views. These people are generally deep in the core reactionaries, whom have adopted disillusion of capitalism, but haven’t adopted leftist identity politics. Thus leaving them in the broken dumpster fire no-folks-land of the economic left, social right.
Those people can get straight fucked right out of here.
Very good take. I’ve always thought it weird how so many “leftists” do their best to try to extricate class from identity, when it literally is an identity. When a large group of an ethnicity is suffering from decades of generational poverty, how is that unrelated to class, and how do these dirtbag leftists justify trying to separate one from the other?