• ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆OP
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    Imagine saying that supporting a literal genocide is just pragmatic politics. What is wrong with you?

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        You are not a realist, you are a manifestation of cuckoldry within the liberal framework. A person saying “but what can one really do” while ignoring the systemic issue at the root of it all - capitalism, and the fact that no system that allows this sort of atrocity (around the world, not just in Gaza currently) should be allowed to exist in the first place. But that requires one to understand that the system must be torn down with a revolution, something liberals will never say - it is their system, after all.

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          Exactly! You’ve very eloquently supported my argument.

          The choice posed to the realist in government is to either 1) play along and try to do some good along the way or 2) quit and help overthrow the system.

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          That’s what American realism has been. Literal monsters like Zbig and Kissinger are labelled realist as if unfortunate realities forced their hands to commit mass murders.

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            But Kissinger is too intellectual for these types. Let’s not forget, do we think our friend here thinks that the US made a mistake with Ukraine as a realist like Kissinger or Mearsheimer would and have argued? Does our friend here who supports real-politik oppose Biden’s arming of Ukraine and infringing on Russia as any sensible, rational realist would?

            Of course not. Even that label is not actually applicable to this person. They are an indoctrinated, cowardly person toeing the line and justifying everything. What they claim to hide behind does not represent their rationale or mode of thinking, it’s just something they’ve ducked behind on this occasion and would be the first in line to throw apples at Mearsheimer and other realists and call them Russian agents or useful idiots.

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              Realists magically become able to see reason once they leave positions of power and authority and start stealing a living at a think thank. The same realists are unrepentant mass murders when they are in positions to directly influence foreign policy.

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            you could’ve just stopped at you don’t think and that would be an accurate description of you

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            God you’re such a fucking loser, you’re replying with the most ancient meme to someone actually engaging you in good faith.

            Go back to Reddit, or log off boomer.

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              A fascist is someone who believes in dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, strong regimentation of society and the economy, This often involves the centralization of authority under a single leader or party, the suppression of dissenting voices, and the promotion of aggressive and expansionist policies under a nationalistic ideology.

              Now write that down, all of you!

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                Lol “write it down”. Gotta love the smugness of clueless libs. You ignored the most important aspect of it all - the material interests that fuel all of it. Fascism, to put it short, is capitalism in crisis. It is when the liberal facade breaks and the ruling class - the capitalists - feel threatened, they find a strongman and put him in power. Then you see a true face of capitalism - a fascist one, where the state crushes workers’ rights, coerces everyone into wage slavery and extracts superprofits for the bourgeoisie. Your definition is plainly shallow because it does not address the material roots of the ideology.

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                … forcible suppression of opposition. Got it.

                So what is the Biden regime’s position on the campus protests against the genocide? Oh, he’s forcibly suppressing them, and he did the same for the movement to defund the police. Well, there you have it. Even by your definition, he is a fascist. You are supporting a fascist. Write that down, if you even care about that more than you care about being smug.

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                If you’re interested in learning I could give you some links/literature (have you ever read communist political theory?). What you’ve just said is basically an Eli5 for nazi children. Absolute dumbassery

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                😂 so smug yet so incorrect

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        Realist would be WEIGHING the negatives vs the positives. What positives outweigh funding genocide in Gaza?