It’s very common to see on the internet people listing supposed deaths that happened in socialist countries, and normally because of “political assassinations” and “starvations”.

I know there are some lists about United States atrocities but do we have lists about captalism in general (and unlike theirs lists, with actual sources?)

  • EnchantedWhetstones
    7·
    2 years ago

    https://dessalines.github.io/essays/us_atrocities.html

    Recently I was thinking about how we need more stuff like this but for the old colonial empires that went and did WWI. (Worth mentioning the only ones that have decolonized since then are Russia and Japan, & the latter is a US vassal in NATO. http://archive.today/2023.02.18-025337/https://www.chathamhouse.org/2022/06/nato-knows-asia-vital-protecting-global-security (Aus, NZ, SK, and Japan are functionally NATO now. Also, while you’re here, please note that article 5 has recently been completely thrown out the window as of the last NATO shindig in Brussels.)

    Also we need a rundown of the times the IMF and World Bank have put the screws on countries.

    A bulleted list like this is helpful because people really need and want an outline.

    • redshiftedbrazilianOP
      7·
      2 years ago

      This is why I asked. I think we spend so much time defending Stalin and others from their lies and its tiring. Not only that anything we point out abt capitalism is disregarded as “whataboutism”.

      So recently I was discussing socialism with a dumb ancap on the internet and instead of trying to praise it I simply said socialism was better because capitalism is a murder machine, and the conversation was much better. Its freeing to discuss capitalism for what it is, and bonus thing is that whenever he talked anything about Stalin now it was my turn to tell them that was “whataboutism” and simply refuse to discuss any possible negative thing about socialism.

      Also bonus point bc calling and ancap a dictator apologist and genocide denier while they struggled to justify Hayeks support of Pinochets Chile was funny af

      Of course in real life you dont want to accuse people of anything and rather have an honest discussion with them, but in the internet is not about convincing the other person (this simply doesnt happen) but about the other people who are only reading the arguments. Its “propaganda”.

      I think people will be much more receptive to our viewpoint if we focus less on denying their lies and more on pointing out Capitalist crimes amd failures, thats why I wanted to know better if we have this kind of thing organized and documented ready

      • EnchantedWhetstones
        5·
        2 years ago

        Going the offensive is crucial I agree. Yep I have a terrible attention span and a job but I should be able to crack out a document that’s digestible to someone like me in due time.

                • SovereignState
                  5·
                  2 years ago

                  A certain Hoxhaist was involved, seemingly in good faith at one point, then tried to instigate a coup against the leadership after shit fell apart for them here. The chad Stalinists in charge quickly rectified the issue, from my understanding, though.

                  • EnchantedWhetstones
                    4·
                    2 years ago

                    That’s just good fun, honestly. I’m only really worried about entrenched threats on websites.