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Oh shit.
Keep ranting! I don’t mind.
Stuff other than theory? I could write a das kapital with all of my rants but I will start with this: The Italian education system is the most reactionary in the world. My choice of school is very limited, either I continue going to this one I hate (graphical school, soubds good in theory but in practice is shit, like social democracy) Or i go to artistic school (I dont have the artistic abilities to go there) or I go go the agrarian school (waking up at 6am every morning ) and why so you may rightly ask? Because every other fucking school has (and get ready) LATIN!!! a language that no one speaks as a native, a dead language, and yet most high school paths have this class in it, for this small little fucking clause I’m excluded from most schools (Latin is extreeeemely difficult, just Google or dyckduckgo it) and get this, put your seatbelt on comrade because this one is very funny, you won’t stop laughing even tomorrow, the nearest school to me (I could basically jump ofd my window and be already in school) HAS FUCKING ANCIENT GREEEEEEK like comrade, we are not in Greece, no one speaks ancient greeck, anyway I’ll stop ranting and I hope I didn’t waste too much of your time
Honestly, I’m hear for it. It’s interesting hearing about Italy from someone who lives there.
That’s bizarre, though. What a strange choice of languages.
On the other hand… Marx read Latin and Greek, so you could go straight to his sources if you learned one of those. And you’d find it much easier to teach yourself the other romance languages if you had Latin under your belt.
How did you learn English? Is that taught in schools?
From kindergarten to university, american imperialism to “thank” little fun fact: Italy has 31 endangered languages, none of which thaught in schools, but we still teach languages that people last spoke thousands of years ago!
edit: pls tell me if you can read this message, lemmy is giving me problems
I can see your message. You might have to refresh the page to see your own comments.
I knew there were a few. I didn’t realise how many. It’s a shame about the endangered languages. I bet some of them are based on Latin, still. But are any of those languages from another language family?
I think there are some based on slavic (from the south slavi stem) in the Friuli region, on the border with Slovenia, maybe some germanic on the border with Austria, but idk
As for the comments, it’s the app giving me problems, other comrades encountered problems too
Lemmy keeps eating stuff I try to write for some reason… ffs.
Slovene is actually protected and taught in the Slavia Friulana, it’s co-official in FVG alongside Friulian, Italian and, I think German too? (there’s a couple municipalities with German exclaves)
The problem isn’t so much the languages that have neighbouring states to protect them, it’s the ones that don’t, like Sicilian, Neapolitan, Piemonteis, etc. Horrifyingly enough, the Valle d’Aosta, which is autonomous, has no protections to speak of for the native languages there (Arpitan, also known as Patois or Valdotain, and Walser German) but instead has co-official status for FRENCH! There is no native French speaking area in Italy, it’s insane.
Plus there’s a whole host of very small minority languages like Arbereshe, Griko, Molise Croat, Gallo-Sicilian, etc. that are either extinct or verging on it right now.
It still hope to one day learn and be able to read and write at least in Sicilian, and am kind of annoyed that I didn’t get the chance growing up as my dad only spoke English to us.
That’s the big problem 😓plus often people are shamed for speaking “dialect” in their province as “uneducated” and “uncivilised” this whole stigma against native languages is seen expecially in the North and expecially against southerners (there’s a big migration from the south to the north) Where there’s a big effort to speak the “one and true language” (that was chosen only in 1861 BTW)
Yeah, I know, it’s stupid. But I will point out that Italian was chosen in around the 14th century - that’s why you can still read Dante and Petrarch and so on. Long before unification, Italian was displacing the other languages in terms of prestige or legal status. Like I’ve looked through old Kingdom of Two Sicily documents from the early 1800s and it’s all in Italian already.
Personally, I would hope for a system like that in China - local languages are taught and protected, but everyone still has to learn Mandarin too. But I don’t see that happening now.
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