I just wanted to ask this question as I have heard this talking point mentioned several times here on Lemmygrad, but with little follow up or explanation. I myself am very curious and am actively pursuing joining a local chapter of a party, but I am in a very precarious place in my life, and I would like to inform myself as much as I can before making my final decision.

So what exactly would potential consequences of joining a communist party look like? Do you have any personal experiences with issues or discrimination that arose from your membership to a communist party?

Could these effects be mitigated by joining under an alias? Are the effects permanent? Will being a member prevent a person from traveling internationally and receiving a passport? Will being a member hurt chances of admissions to universities or jobs even if it is not disclosed? Will being a member be discoverable during security clearance checks and prevent the taking of a government job?

I’m sorry for the amount of questions, I’m just very curious, but simultaneously worried about the permanent repercussions that might arise from me seeking to join a party, especially in the heart of the Imperial Core. Thank you for your help and guidance.

  • @ComradeSaladOP
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    21 year ago

    Thank you for the time and effort you put into this response, and I apologize for my late response. I do promise that I’ve had a tab open on your reply and its just taken me way to long to get back to it.

    However, you do approach this topic from several very interesting angles that I will definitely be keeping in mind as I move forward.

    For the college radical org, sadly most of those exist mostly in particularly major and massive colleges, as in smaller colleges communist orgs are sadly nonexistent or just a three man trot book club at best. For this reason if I were to commit to the idea of a communist organization and be certain of that idea; I would need to commit to a party in full, for better or worse.

    The “pipeline” you mentioned seemed like it would be soul sucking at best and would risk to much in the long run, so I feel like just skipping the middle few steps and jumping right to a liberal position like Dem, or SocDem for cover might be safer. Seeing as how the US is trending “left” ever so slightly, and I might be able to better utilize Marxist ideals under a cover of a more palatable movement when I will be in my educational/career infancy, and unable to risk being an out and about ML.

    Overall, the part about the US Intelligence is probably mostly correct, as there is no way to know what they are actually planning and thinking about anything at any given time. As you mentioned to however, I doubt they would care much unless I present any sort of actual threat, like Fred Hampton and Parenti. However, I feel that joining any sort of actual political work would be seen as a threat, and all that would need to be done is tossing my application in the garbage to throttle any and all chances of movement. Which is why the cover and “subterfuge” is important to me for the beginning.

    I do agree fully with the social media line however, and I have done my best to completely limit that. I have no Twitter, Reddit, Instagram, Tiktok, or Facebook accounts, so my internet footprint is already very limited, and I never use personal emails for anything as employers have pretty cool but dystopian programs that allow them to throw emails in and see every associated account to website that email has been used for. I also see the larger internet as a pretty poor battleground for anything related to organizing or ML thought, so needlessly exposing myself seems foolish.

    I also agree with the socializing line as well, and while I may be an ML at heart, I don’t wish to make that my whole personality and conscious. I have other interests, traits, hobbies, and aspirations, so I don’t see myself ever wanting to overbearingly throw ML into every conversation as if I am some ultimate authority that must be followed or else. Most of my worry is with the admissions officers and actually getting into university, and how this might impact them; or how far the might dig.

    Also I would argue very much that the “volunteer” organizing is not cynical at all and should be a crux of organizing along with labour organizing and ML thought. As hey, I feel like people would definitely listen more to ML thought if they aren’t starving, and can get their rotten tooth fixed.

    What did catch my attention was your last paragraph, and I do hope I can live up to that ideal, as I know it is a long road ahead, but one that I can traverse with comrades, friends, family, and hopefully future supporters, all by my side.

    • @redtea
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      21 year ago

      You’re very welcome. It’s hard figuring out our place in the world, especially when we’ve realised that whatever our role will be, it will be unorthodox. I think you’ll do okay, for what it’s worth.

      • @ComradeSaladOP
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        It is a difficult road ahead, even more so when, like you mention, you have to try and find a place for unorthodox goals, dreams, aspirations, and worldview. Especially in a world that sees those that worldview with hostility, meaning there is no standard path to follow as with other jobs, goals, and dreams.

        I am fearful of the future, while simultaneously hoping I can leave my mark on the world. A strange combination.