…left has a Soviet flag, the center guy has a Russian flag, the guy on the right has a tsarist Russian flag. Just felt interesting somehow

  • @lil_tank
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    Edit: (I understand it may look like trolling because I am asking questions. I am not trolling this is an attempt at dialectical process.)

    No worries comrade, your points are valid and I never thought you were trolling!

    I think it is true that the contemporary class structure of imperialism puts the Russian people in a position of being the oppressed class. However we must keep in mind that class isn’t a reason to be uncritical to a number of positions, because reaction exists in the oppressed class too. Looking at the original post, I see reactionary elements that must be criticized because the Russian Empire and the Orthodox Church are not elements that enable national liberation. National liberation, which is the left wing nationalism we are looking for, is rooted in the ambition to restart the socialist project in the whole the former Soviet Union, not in a melting pot of everything that made Russia “great” by any standard!

      • @lil_tank
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        Who is “we” here? Certainly not the people in Donbass under 8 year siege.

        Comrade, don’t accuse me of not supporting the protection of the Donbas people by the Russian Federation! On the contrary, as is often mentioned: a socialist Russia wouldn’t have waited 8 years because solidarity would have been its priority. Putin has waited until the last moment trying not to upset the West because as a representative of the capitalist class he had no reason to help those people against fascism before he realised that the situation truly threatened the safety of the country.

        I don’t think it is about good and bad Russians obviously, reactionary elements in the international working class and periphery are still inside the periphery but that’s no reason to let ideological elements pollute Marxism. You’re right to point that when an imperialist war is being waged, the contradictions inside the country become secondary. However I want to stress that secondary doesn’t make them irrelevant or worse, resolved.

        In the end, I want to say that our effort in propaganda shall not be concentrated against the Russian nationalism. However, the way we criticize the original post, between Marxists in a revolutionary space, is a necessary part of keeping reactionary deviations outside of it.

        (Idk whos downvoting, you should know I am not downvoting your replies because I hold them in great respect)

          • @lil_tank
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            21 year ago

            I did read it and I stand by what is said in the Immanuel Ness interview. I’m not trying to disprove you and I don’t think you are dishonest but right now I fail to understand what the problem is with rejection of the Russian Empire and Church idolatrous tendencies as not being part of the national liberation