• Nocturne Dragonite
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    -81 year ago

    Cause most of these people are individualistic assholes who only care about themselves. It’s part of the American culture.

    • Lenin enjoyer🏳️‍⚧️
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      highly false. Thats the same kind of bullshit some fascist anti-feminist podcast of bald incel men would say. (Maybe not the observation of amerikkka being individualistic, or individualism being bad, but still.) The shift is because of how capitalism isolates us. And how in Amerikkka how expectations of how social interactions are “supposed to be” shaped effect us. This comment itself is individualistic because you blame people instead of all the larger trends that cause this type of thing. I personally have close friends, but I didnt until 2021 to be honest. Not because I was being an asshole, but because I wasn’t going to make friends by going to Mcdonalds and working.

      (Also not trying to be an asshole here, but this gets me a bit worked up lol.)

      • Nocturne Dragonite
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        -51 year ago

        I don’t blame people I definitely said it’s in the culture but ok

        • Lenin enjoyer🏳️‍⚧️
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          Well sure, but the culture isnt being an asshole. What I mean is thats it comes off as condescending of people in specific through wording. Hard to put into words but im sure someone knows what I mean.

          • Nocturne Dragonite
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            -31 year ago

            Being an asshole is definitely part of the culture, the whole “I got mine fuck you” mentality, the whole superiority of having power (or capital) over someone else, it’s literally the ultimate goal in this shitty country and it takes a deep level of deprogramming to undo that shit. Or you could look like me and realize this place wasn’t built for you (despite your ancestors literally building everything from the ground up), and see the real ugliness of capitalist culture and how it permeates every fucking facet of our society.

            • Lenin enjoyer🏳️‍⚧️
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              81 year ago

              You know what quite true. I suppose what I mean is, that is not at all the reason why people dont have friends.

              • Nocturne Dragonite
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                61 year ago

                No it’s not, there are lots of other reasons too, but there’s so little focus in our culture or society about forming lasting friendships with people you like and respect, or hell just being decent people to each other.

                I thought about the way we develop as children, where we’re trained to go to school to prepare us for the capitalist machine, being forced to spend your time with other people that are also forced to be there. Then we’re forced to work for survival and be around other people forced to work for survival. There isn’t a chance for any meaningful relationships to form. That’s not even talking about being a marginalized group because that’s a whole different subject

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                  I get what you’re talking about, its just your previous comment is kinda poorly worded. Sorry if I didnt understand it.

                  (I also wouldnt really double down on it. You know? Just clear up what you meant in specific, I guess thats what is resonating wrong with me.)

    • @201dberg
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      101 year ago

      Based on the rest of these comments part of your problem here seems to be your wording is very specifically aggressive to, and generalizing of, people. It is putting the blame on the individuals and not the system that has created the culture. Sure, there are a good number of people that are assholes by their own but there are many that are simply victims of the system. It is not all the people’s faults the societal structure imposed upon them by the capitalists has led them to be this way.

      Yes, the culture of America leads to people becoming “individualistic assholes” but I believe it is the fault of the shitty Capitalist system and not the individuals. For instance If you were to instead have said:

      " Cause shitty Capitalists have driven American culture to turn people into individualist assholes that have no idea how to care about anyone else."

      I feel that would have been a more accurate way to describe the situation because I would agree that many people are this way however many more, I would argue, are capable of kindness and generosity if shown there is a better way “to be.”

      • @Sunshiner
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        This might be off topic, and I don’t mean to be that American that wants to victimize themselves, but it really sucks talking to some communists and they talk a ton of shit about us ML-Americans. Like why the hell does me being an American give them the right to shit on me? In fact, I’m an African American, but that’s just some random fact. I know the bullshit in capitalism, I know the bullshit system, I know the reason why the bad Americans are the way they are IS because of the system. And I think that an American breaking out of the system and becoming an ML is pretty great. Yeah there are some ML Americans that say reactionary shit, but it should be easy to distinguish them from unproblematic ML Americans. But oh, to some communists even communist Americans are shit. It’s like some superiority complex they have.

        Sorry I had to rant :( I’m not trying to generalize. I’m only applying this to those who say terrible shit about ML Americans. Like yeah I understand feeling a type of way because ML-Americans live in one of the most imperialist countries in the world, but hey, I’m not the one bombing a 3rd world country, and I’m not the one ignoring it and justifying it. Yeah I suck at geography, and yeah I say dumb shit sometimes, but that’s the time to teach or correct me instead of insulting me. I always try to avoid the “communists” that argue in bad faith and insult others based on where they’re from. It’s seriously annoying.

        • @201dberg
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          I understand that. I am an American as well. It does bother me sometimes. In general though I know when most MLs removed about “western leftists” they aren’t talking about the MLs they are talking about the soc Dems and anarkiddies and such that are still doing shit like supporting western imperialism and shit. Or like the hardcore “MLs” that are so obsessed with theory they loose track of material conditions and go on removed about how “China isn’t socialist enough” etc. Idk how to fully describe it rly but I do agree there are definitely better ways/terms to use to describe these ppl.

    • Muad'DibberOPMA
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      I don’t think you should blame people for the alienation imposed on them by capitalism. The US has almost no social support structures or places to meet friends outside of school or work. Even those that want to are unable because of long working hours and exhaustion.

      • Nocturne Dragonite
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        01 year ago

        I’m not blaming the people, the capitalist culture does this to people, I’m just pointing out that’s the reaction

        Man being fucking autistic sucks cause I can’t even really get my point across well smh

        • Muad'DibberOPMA
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          31 year ago

          Cause most of these people are individualistic assholes who only care about themselves.

          Are they assholes or aren’t they?

          • Nocturne Dragonite
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            41 year ago

            Western culture produces assholes don’t they? Do I have to explain the culture here now?

            • Muad'DibberOPMA
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              61 year ago

              The article talks about how many people, young women especially, have lost touch with their close friends during covid, and are suffering from alienation. Why was your first reaction to call them assholes?

              And yes hegemonic capitalist culture can produce and encourages ppl to be individualistic obviously, but its extremely insensitive to victim blame here, especially when it comes to mental well being.

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                  Okay… what? Are they assholes or aren’t they? I warn you that we don’t allow edgelords here, especially of the gamer variety.