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    Russia clearly won, but even if your interjection is plausible. Not if we (Arabs) succeed in dragging the US into another losing war in the Middle East. They are already abandoning Ukraine for Israel. Just imagine if we managed to get troops in Yemen. The US is exercising restraint with Yemen for a reason, already spread too thin and just came out of two losing wars, and we will keep triggering it until it bites.

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      Not really, the US has been pumping the breaks on Israeli aid because of the indiscriminate bombings in Gaza. The US believes the civilians in Gaza have a right to their territory as a 2 state solution is desired.

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            Actions are more important than words. The U.S. is going out of its way to expedite the artillery needed to continue Israel’s indiscriminate bombing of civillians in its ongoing genocidal campaign against Palestinians.

            Please I am begging you do not take these organizations at face value- read what the poster above you sent and recognize the distance between the statement “You need to comply with international law more closely” and the action: here is a way for us to get you bombs for you to use more quickly.

            If on one hand part of the state apparatus is signaling for “restraint” but the state is accelerating its ability to provide weapons that its calling for restraint in use of the actual stance is clear: what you’re doing is fine by the state.

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              It’s alright, we can agree to disagree. Biden has criticized the Netanyahu government for their treatment of Palestinians. More should be done to ensure their safety, hence the conditial provisions of arms, but the United States policy stance has clear ambitions for a 2 state solution. Neither Hamas, nor the Netantahu government are okay with this, however it remains the United States ambition. I truly hope we can see this conflict resolved in my lifetime.

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                  As far as I’m aware, the US has not fired any weapons on Gaza soil. There’s been some defensive strikes to the north in Lebanon, but that’s it. Seems like a stretch to call the United States complicit when it’s goals do not align with the Netantahu government.

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                    The vetoes are enough. The weapons and aid sent just make them one step away from pulling the trigger themselves. The US will be held accountable for this genocide.

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                You still haven’t been able to back up your claim that the USA is putting the breaks on it’s aid of Isreal because of the genocide. All you’ve done is point to the US going “we’d like it if you slowed down on the genocide, but we’ll 100 support you if you don’t” and tried to equivocate that as being the same, when it really isn’t.

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                  I said pumping the breaks. There’s still legitimate concern for the removal of Hamas as the acting government of Gaza. Neither Hamas, nor the Netantahu backed Israeli government want a 2 state solution, however this remains the US states policy. Whoever can broker a deal that affirms a 2 state solution here will hopefully produce meaningful change towards this conflict.

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                    I said pumping the breaks

                    Doesn’t change anything about my point.

                    There’s still legitimate concern for the removal of Hamas as the acting government of Gaza

                    Incorrect. And you don’t see the USA sending endless, unconditional, military aid to Palestine so they can remove the Israeli government.

                    Neither Hamas, nor the Netantahu backed Israeli government want a 2 state solution

                    Hamas explicitly calls for a 2 state solution you lying ghoul.

                    this remains the US states policy

                    Not true, not until the US recognises the state of Palestine.

                    Whoever can broker a deal that affirms a 2 state solution here will hopefully produce meaningful change towards this conflict.

                    Going to be pretty hard to do while Isreal and the USA are committed to genocide.

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                Did anyone ever tell you the saying “actions speak louder than words” as a kid? Now apply that to state actors. No matter what words their US uses, no matter their criticism, their actions are very clear.

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        The US is bankrolling the genocide and vetoed the ceasefire. Who are you lying to? The US and its interests are a fair and legitimate targets because of its involvement and complicity in the genocide.

        Joe Biden Moves to Lift Nearly Every Restriction on Israel’s Access to U.S. Weapons Stockpile https://theintercept.com/2023/11/25/biden-israel-weapons-stockpile-arms-gaza/

        Don’t be fooled. Biden is fully signed up to ethnic cleansing in Gaza https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/israel-palestine-war-gaza-biden-fully-signed-up-genocide

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          As a defensive partner it makes sense to continue to provide aid and arms to Israel for defensive purposes, which includes the removal of a condemned terrorist organization as the acting government of the Gaza strip. This does not reduce or remove the US effort to provide aid and humanitarian support to the citizens of Gaza. A 2 state solution remains the policy of the United States, even if this is a foil with both Hamas and the Netantahu government.

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            defensive purposes

            You wouldn’t say this if it was Russia bombing Ukrainians. I’m gonna blame this on racism against Arabs. No other reason to describe the murder of 18,000 civilians and the bombing of schools and hospitals as defensive.

            condemned terrorist organization

            Citation needed.

            According to Wikipedia the countries that consider it as terrorist are only than 13% of the world’s population. That doesn’t seem like much condemnation when 87% of the world aren’t on board.

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              Russia has been and is currently bombing Ukrainians on sovereign land. Pretty easy to learn this tidbit of information.

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                And the Palestinians are bombed where? in the skies? they are being bombed on their own land that was stolen from them, and in the refugee camps they are forced to live in. Internally displaced on their own land.

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                  Was this supposed to draw a response? Can you reiterate your question?

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            I want you to consider this comment and compare it to your previous comment above. You said that the US is reducing spending on Israel because of Israel’s brutal actions. Then when it was pointed out to you that they in fact were doing the opposite, your response was not to then say “wow, that’s really shitty of them” but instead to try and justify their actions to yourself.

            Have you no brain? No heart? No soul? No spine? Is this really the person you want to be? Someone licking the boot of the dickhead politicians in Washington so much that you’ll abandon any and all morals to do so? It’s ok to be mad at your government when they do shitty things, even if they are “your team.”