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Legalizing sex-work to appease the incels. One of the worst arguments for the legalization of sex-work I’ve ever seen in my life. Does she not realize this just puts the workers in even more danger? Are the workers not allowed to say no to clients or what?

  • @lil_tank
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    92 years ago

    It’s not about being bigoted, it’s about seeing beyond the spectrum of bourgeois politics. The capitalist state can only struggle against sex work in a reactionary manner that put the sex workers in greater danger without killing the industry. The Marxist way of abolishing sex work is by giving all women vocations and jobs and never letting one having no other option than sex work. When this is achieved, there will be no sex industry, and if someone has a fetish of giving/ recieving money for sex well that’s private matter

    • Muad'DibberA
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      62 years ago

      This is spot on, but I also want to say that Marxist feminists don’t prefer the term “sex work”, which was invented by a bourgeois liberal feminist in the 60’s who wanted to try out prostitution as a lifestyle choice. We prefer the term sex trade, sex industry, and people trapped / forced / trafficked into the sex trade, to refer to the 99% of mostly women who are trapped there and have no physical or economic means to escape. The term “sex work” makes it seem as though the 1% of independently wealthy people who have the financial ability to enter and exit the sex trade, represent the other 99%, and turns the coercion of the rape industry into a “free choice” , and “necessary labor”.

    • @pgtl_10
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      -12 years ago

      I find that dubious and still demonizing sex.

      • @lil_tank
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        2 years ago

        Ok yeah buddy sure sex is evil and oppressive and its ban shall be enforced by the volcel police, that’s totally what I’m saying, ignore the fact I focused exclusively on the economic conditions of women under capitalism

        • @pgtl_10
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          -12 years ago

          You yourself said you want to abolish the sex industry. This isn’t based on anything other than cultural veliefs.

          • @lil_tank
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            Sure buddy it’s indeed a vestige of ancient times to consider that the monetary obligation to provide intimate relationship to a client is rape. Obviously my culture never normalized rape and prostitution that’s totally the other way around. I’m a reactionary because selling women’s intimacy is brand new and I react to it that’s what you mean right? Feudal marriage and borthels that’s some crazy feminists innovation!! Bring back the good old “everyone gets to decide their availability for sex”, and the even older “if you have to earn money in life then you don’t truly consent to work” of the immemorial traditions

      • SovereignState
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        22 years ago

        how is it demonizing sex when sex is not the aspect being criticized, the financial & transactional component is?

        • @pgtl_10
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          -12 years ago

          Except in this case is quite demonized. You can criticize any financial component but for some reason we focus on sex like it’s some sort of taboo.

          • SovereignState
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            I think, if we’re to view this from an ethical point of view, sex means many different things to many different people. Examples: sex is for procreation, sex is for pleasure, sex is a uniquely bonding experience, sex is for love, sex is unappealing and unimportant, sex is wonderful and extremely important. None of these ideas are definitively true or untrue, but peoples’ opinions on sex vary wildly. From my perspective, we are not treating sex as taboo, sinful, distasteful etc and many of us have views regarding sex reflected in the examples above… we are criticizing financial, transactional coercion – and coercive sex is… not “sex” as it is commonly understood, it is sexual assault or rape. Even in the unlikely circumstance that the John and the person in the sex trade are attracted to each other and both are very happy to be having sex, there exists a huge power imbalance that cannot meaningfully lend itself to totally consensual sex. Money is food, shelter, transportation, medicine. Money is life. The John in this scenario sits atop one of the most incredible power imbalances that could possibly exist without straight up having a literal weapon - the threat of financial violence. The way a boss holds our livelihoods over our heads on the barest of strings they can slice at any minute, except for the vast majority of us, we don’t have to get fucked by our bosses. This financial, transactional, coercive nature of prostitution/the sex trade is what makes it undesirable, not puritanical ideas about sex. In the manner I have described it, there is no better word to describe this ‘sex with threat of violence’ than rape, and as communists and feminists it is important that we talk about this and shine a light on the millions of people being sex-trafficked (~25 million at any given time!) and abused being swept under the rug via a narrative ever-shifting towards “sex work is real work”.