noticed this back in highschool when anonymous was first getting really big, and so many of the people who considered themselves anti-establishment really praised them, but i had so many criticisms even back then.
then this year alone was a complete mess with the whole ddossecrets team and affiliated “hacking” organizations. then they sent a trans woman to ukraine to report, but of course nowhere near any azov’s folks. it’s brain dead. i called them out on being nato state actors
A lot of those mid-2000s “cyber-radicals” were, at best, Ron Paul libertarians; which meant, as usually does, that their takes on foreign policy could occasionally be decent, but that in everything else they were highly questionable. What sort of leavened them was that libertarianism used to be more of a big-tent movement, since, to gain some relevancy, the libertarians accepted all kinds of people who were disaffected with the mainstream American parties. (The Republicans purged their more populist elements after the 1964 election and the defeat of Barry Goldwater, the Democrats during the Clinton years). So if you had actual fascists in the libertarian ranks, you also had people who professed some vague type of socialism.
Now, of course, the old consensus has broken down. Serious leftists have either become MLs, or stopped caring about politics altogether. Most right-wing populists have become MAGA. Those on the fence have tended to join some sort of religious tendency unaligned with either left or right, such as Iran-type Shia Islam, or Christian socialism. This leaves the libertarians with less political relevancy than they ever possessed, and to stay relevant, they have been moving towards the Democrats. As a strategy, this is somewhat opaque, since even the Trump wing of the Republican Party is more amenable to libertarianism than the Democrats; but the libertarians have a personal grudge against MAGA (for “stealing our members”), and they can always fool themselves into thinking that in aligning with the Democrats, they are fighting against true enemies of freedom like Putin and Xi. Thus you are starting to see many of the elements who once opposed the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, and who called any form of trans-national law or alliance “fascism,” suddenly cheerleading for NATO.
it’s a rebranding of anonymous stuff, so more of the same. ddossecrets this year was pushing for austerity measures, sanctions, and regime change in russia. way too conveniently aligning itself with the USA state department/nationalist security agencies/western oligarchy. ignoring the history of ukraine for this past almost decade. echoing all the previous issues with anonymous overwhelmingly backing far right voices in the west while co-opting leftist language for it’s missions and to build it’s support base
ohhhh ok right, this is exactly my critique of them as well. their dumps of data on russian companies just happens to align exactly with when the us state dep and cia wants civilian participation in cyber warfare against russia? hmmmm… what’s funniest is i don’t think they are paid or compromised. they do this shit cuz they think it’s activism.
i kind of believe that too, but it does seem there’s some other stuff going on,so i am left unsure. check my other comment i just replied to someone else
Chelsea actually spoke to this point in her talk, she said that now states just do things in the open, but surriled it with so much disinformation that you can’t tell whats real or get overwhelmed. Look, the situation with Ukraine shows that the west is HAPPY to work with nazis, spend tax dollars on weapons for the military industry, let the poor pay for the gas bills of their wars, etc, and that’s all open. There’s nothing you can LEAK to make it look any worse than it is really. That’s genius, you can’t do a hack to expose a state who do it openly.
When it comes to DDOSecrets I don’t think they are ‘cronies’ in that they are directly directed by agents. I think they just ideologically align with their own empire in the global struggle for imperialist primacy and buy the propaganda that its ‘progressive activism’ to support Nato interests on this issue. I have asked these people if they are paid by CIA btw, and told them they should be because as a trade unionist I believe in a fair days pay for a hard day’s work.
besides the little bit that i could gather on my own, i got nothing. exposing them would be all about doxxxing, and getting receipts and or transcripts of any communication. i did notice ddossecrets mention some of the tools being used, and i know the hacking organizations submitting to ddossecrets did not make those tools, so that’s a start. they’re not using civilian tools/knowledge, so they have access to something civilians do not. also points out there’s also a slight decentralization in their organizational structure, from actors to journalists/presenters. there’s also been a lot of inter-fighting between those organizations, so might actually be easy to find someone who could talk about what’s going on in more depth and expose what’s really going on
noticed this back in highschool when anonymous was first getting really big, and so many of the people who considered themselves anti-establishment really praised them, but i had so many criticisms even back then.
then this year alone was a complete mess with the whole ddossecrets team and affiliated “hacking” organizations. then they sent a trans woman to ukraine to report, but of course nowhere near any azov’s folks. it’s brain dead. i called them out on being nato state actors
A lot of those mid-2000s “cyber-radicals” were, at best, Ron Paul libertarians; which meant, as usually does, that their takes on foreign policy could occasionally be decent, but that in everything else they were highly questionable. What sort of leavened them was that libertarianism used to be more of a big-tent movement, since, to gain some relevancy, the libertarians accepted all kinds of people who were disaffected with the mainstream American parties. (The Republicans purged their more populist elements after the 1964 election and the defeat of Barry Goldwater, the Democrats during the Clinton years). So if you had actual fascists in the libertarian ranks, you also had people who professed some vague type of socialism.
Now, of course, the old consensus has broken down. Serious leftists have either become MLs, or stopped caring about politics altogether. Most right-wing populists have become MAGA. Those on the fence have tended to join some sort of religious tendency unaligned with either left or right, such as Iran-type Shia Islam, or Christian socialism. This leaves the libertarians with less political relevancy than they ever possessed, and to stay relevant, they have been moving towards the Democrats. As a strategy, this is somewhat opaque, since even the Trump wing of the Republican Party is more amenable to libertarianism than the Democrats; but the libertarians have a personal grudge against MAGA (for “stealing our members”), and they can always fool themselves into thinking that in aligning with the Democrats, they are fighting against true enemies of freedom like Putin and Xi. Thus you are starting to see many of the elements who once opposed the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, and who called any form of trans-national law or alliance “fascism,” suddenly cheerleading for NATO.
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What’s the story with ddosecrets?
it’s a rebranding of anonymous stuff, so more of the same. ddossecrets this year was pushing for austerity measures, sanctions, and regime change in russia. way too conveniently aligning itself with the USA state department/nationalist security agencies/western oligarchy. ignoring the history of ukraine for this past almost decade. echoing all the previous issues with anonymous overwhelmingly backing far right voices in the west while co-opting leftist language for it’s missions and to build it’s support base
ohhhh ok right, this is exactly my critique of them as well. their dumps of data on russian companies just happens to align exactly with when the us state dep and cia wants civilian participation in cyber warfare against russia? hmmmm… what’s funniest is i don’t think they are paid or compromised. they do this shit cuz they think it’s activism.
i kind of believe that too, but it does seem there’s some other stuff going on,so i am left unsure. check my other comment i just replied to someone else
Any smoking guns?
If not, what do you suppose it would take to actually expose these groups as cronies of the US government?
Chelsea actually spoke to this point in her talk, she said that now states just do things in the open, but surriled it with so much disinformation that you can’t tell whats real or get overwhelmed. Look, the situation with Ukraine shows that the west is HAPPY to work with nazis, spend tax dollars on weapons for the military industry, let the poor pay for the gas bills of their wars, etc, and that’s all open. There’s nothing you can LEAK to make it look any worse than it is really. That’s genius, you can’t do a hack to expose a state who do it openly.
When it comes to DDOSecrets I don’t think they are ‘cronies’ in that they are directly directed by agents. I think they just ideologically align with their own empire in the global struggle for imperialist primacy and buy the propaganda that its ‘progressive activism’ to support Nato interests on this issue. I have asked these people if they are paid by CIA btw, and told them they should be because as a trade unionist I believe in a fair days pay for a hard day’s work.
besides the little bit that i could gather on my own, i got nothing. exposing them would be all about doxxxing, and getting receipts and or transcripts of any communication. i did notice ddossecrets mention some of the tools being used, and i know the hacking organizations submitting to ddossecrets did not make those tools, so that’s a start. they’re not using civilian tools/knowledge, so they have access to something civilians do not. also points out there’s also a slight decentralization in their organizational structure, from actors to journalists/presenters. there’s also been a lot of inter-fighting between those organizations, so might actually be easy to find someone who could talk about what’s going on in more depth and expose what’s really going on