Ursula von der Leyen has stated that sanctions on Russia will remain in place until its economy is ‘torn apart’ - adding Europe’s solidarity with Kiev is unshakable at a time to show determination.

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    Russia really needs to understand I think Europe won’t fold easily. They need to expand the SMO and take Kiev, put Zelenski and the other fascist war criminals of his regime on trial for crimes against humanity and make it clear that the fascist puppet Ukraine they said they’d support until the end doesn’t exist and never will again if Russia can help it. Start negotiations from there.

    Because European liberals seem even more delusional and fanatical than the ones in the US in their willingness to commit suicide for the US and I think there is the possibility too many here and possibly in Moscow underestimate the amount of pain enough of the European population will suffer.

    Quite frankly the US and Europe are determined to make Ukraine a quagmire. Russia cannot simply achieve peace and independence for the breakaway republics as the Ukrainians will never stop getting arms from NATO and will never stop attacking so long as they have men and women to throw as fodder at the Russians. It is time for a decapitating blow of the fascist government. Otherwise this is just going to be a problem for Russia.

    Yes, it hurts Europe in the short-term but I do think there is a serious risk that Europe builds out enough green energy, efficiency, etc that aside from people suffering in cold homes every winter they may be able to weather this situation with Russia and just lock in a new cold war with Ukraine as an eternal front. If Russia pulls out they overrun and massacre and then attack Russia. If Russia stays they attack them there. They have to bring the Ukraine government down and the more time they waste waiting for Europeans to buckle the worse it is going to be for them. Because despite the reactionary and leftist discontent with the situation Europe is not a democracy, it is a US puppet and I have doubts for the Europeans being able to overcome gladio and other elements meant to prevent any populist anti-US, anti-NATO reaction from gaining the ability to exercise power.

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      Russia really needs to understand I think Europe won’t fold easily.

      They already do, that’s why they keep it at SMO.
      You need to understand that they have time on their side.
      Russia’s current goal isn’t to get Zelensky on his knees, but to get the US on it’s knees.

      And how do you think Europe is building out it’s green energy?
      Those windmills and solar panels don’t pop out of the ground
      and with Europe and the US de-industrializing, who do you think is building them?

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        And how do you think Europe is building out it’s green energy?

        I think a lot of it will be extreme efficiency mandates, cut-backs, rationing, etc. Which will admittedly cause issues but I think no populists will gain power to change that, the minority of people who take to the streets will be put down with violence and they’ll largely take it and blame Russia as desired.

        As to China benefiting I don’t think this is a problem in their eyes to their plan. They don’t care about China making solar or batteries, they still want and will continue to enact their high technology blockade on China against chips, networking equipment, phones, smart infrastructure, etc as they’ve decided that a partial blockade is preferable to decoupling.


        Right now as I see it they have several things going:

        1. High tech blockade and embargo on China to try and prevent development as well as to choke off their ability to sell their stuff to anyone via ridiculous “spyware, hacking” claims. The US doesn’t care about China continuing to have them on manufacturing Walmart goods because they don’t want that kind of stuff back, they just want to command the latest tech and leave China a decade behind. They also understand that China cannot just cut the US off in this area without hurting its own economy and people, both sides are bound to each other.

        2. Attempts to compromise Russia to bring it into the anti-China alliance. Via fragmenting them with ethnic tensions, this Ukraine deal and probably behind the scenes attempts to get compromised oligarchs, military and intelligence people to kill Putin and take power and act as a modern Yeltsin by doing the west’s bidding in exchange for a cut of the loot.

        3. Putting Europe on a tighter leash. By cutting off the ability to use cheap Russian gas, addicting them to expensive American gas and heightening the threat of military conflict to draw them in closer to NATO. As well as deindustrializing them such that industry either moves to China or the US, they want the high tech, white collar, bleeding edge engineering stuff in their country both to profit and control it and to deny it to China.

        3.5. New gladio. In case the above should fail and just as a general failsafe for capitalism in crisis they are engineering a new gladio. Flooding Europe with lost heavy weaponry that may have never even reached Ukraine, creating and dispersing fascist militants in Ukraine, and normalizing fascism and getting liberals to support it.

        I still think Russia has done fairly well so far with all this and the rewards will be worth the effort. I just think there has been some stumbling here and I worry where it could lead. I hate to see fascists triumphing because it emboldens them everywhere and makes them even bigger heroes to liberals.

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          What I meant by that question is that China builds EU’s solar panels and wind mills.
          How is the EU going to get it’s solar panels and wind mills with an embargo on China?

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            Fair and I think they’ll have to not deploy such an embargo. As mentioned I don’t see it as being crucial to the US strategy of containing China and keeping them down. Solar panels are manufacturing after all and while complex aren’t exactly cutting edge and tied to bleeding edge tech, they’ve been around in some form or another for half a century.

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        And how do you think Europe is building out it’s green energy?

        Also, if they somehow manage to do it, it will still be a positive thing. Because it will make them less prone to bootlicking USA, not to mention climate will feel it too.

        Unfortunately, it seems as for now, the only thing that will happen will be austerity and probable crash even bigger than Great Crisis.