I’ve always heard my comrades insist that Marxism-Leninism is scientific. I understand how dialectical materialism is scientific, and I understand that Marxism-Leninism is rooted in dialectical materialism. For a while, that satisfied me, but lately I’ve been reading material about how Marxists might present falsifiable hypotheses which made me realize I don’t understand how this works at all.

How do I, a Marxist, go about studying society scientifically in a way that dovetails nicely with dialectical materialism? Do I have to do experiments? What does that look like? How will I know if I’m wrong? Examples would help.

  • ButtigiegMineralMap
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    This is a Good question. You often hear about Scientific Socialism and the Dialectical Method. Basically socialism is the answer to the historical development that we’ve seen throughout society. Once you understand DialMat, you see the way that things develop and grow and decay. Einstein himself wrote in his “Why Socialism” that politics, like astronomy, like biology, seek to find universal rules within their field of study and apply them to better understand how these fields develop and why they do. Scientists, political or otherwise, also seek to find trends and different stratas within their field and see what grows and what decays. We as socialists view the changes and repudiate the decay, the stagnant and dying, and we uphold the progressive, the rising, the correct next development. That’s why we repudiate Capitalism, Imperialist conquest, outdated social concepts of hierarchy, etc. When socialism is not scientific, it doesn’t look into the trends and changes or if it does, it doesn’t care about responding. A type of Socialism that Marx and Engels shat upon was Feudal Socialism, a version where upon defeating the capitalist class, the proletariat and peasants all fall into peasantry rather than Proletarianization, which is necessary for socialist transition. The peasants, using hand labor and simple looms and handcrafts cannot compete with production that works in concert with each other with socialization of labor, a positive thing that capitalism calls forth as opposed to the Feudal style of production. Because we need to remember that capitalism was once Revolutionary back in its day, there are aspects which are better than the era preceding it. So Marx and Engels said that essentially you can’t go backwards with Historical Materialism, otherwise your supposed socialism is actually reactionary and doomed to fail. Scientific socialism, Marxism-Leninism is scientific because of the way that it analyzes the world and fights for the Revolutionary ideal of the international proletariat. The scientific part makes sense because think about this: China wants to make sure every hospital has enough equipment, to do this, questions will need to be asked, people will describe what they need, where it’s going, etc. The science that is occurring is in the process of data collection and deciding what to do with that data. Scientific Socialism is a part of Planning Economies so you don’t have to worry about the vagaries of private capital and Free Markets If China or Vietnam or DPRK was Reactionary and didn’t support scientific achievement in their countries and didn’t move past basic production, none of them would be where they are today, or even exist as nations. That’s the basics of Scientific Socialism, more can be explained by Engels in “Socialism Utopian and Scientific” and Stalin’s “Anarchism or Socialism”

    • @redtea
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      42 years ago

      Good explanation!

    • @NikkiBOP
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      32 years ago

      That’s very helpful, but I was hoping you’d address my question about “falsifiable hypotheses.” For context, I was reading an article debunking Karl Popper’s claim that Marxism peddles in unfalsifiable, unscientific claims.

      • Muad'DibberA
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        72 years ago

        Def read Engels socialism: Utopian and Scientific as a start. But just to see how Marxist economics adheres to scientific method of falsifiability, while bourgeois / marginal utility theory economics doesn’t check out this 2-vid series by Paul Cockshott.

        It focuses on how one of the pillars of capitalist economics, the supply and demand curve, is completely unfalsifiable and unproven, while the labor theory of value is both falsifiable and proven.

        • @redtea
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          32 years ago

          Useful video, Muad’Dibber.

          Your comment reminds me that Popper implies (argues? – it’s been a while since I read him and don’t have an exact quote / reference) that ‘social science’ is not ‘real’ science because it is generally unfalsifiable. He may be right about a lot of bourgeois social science. The mistake is conflating Marxist with bourgeois social science.

          • Muad'DibberA
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            22 years ago

            Ya that’s true. There is a lot in social sciences that is falsifiable, and sciences like physics also have a lot of stochastic systems with high degrees of uncertainty and variability. Popper really let his ideology get in the way of his better ideas.

            • @redtea
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              32 years ago

              Have you read anything by Alan Sokal? He wrote a book called Fashionable Nonsense: Postmodern Intellectuals’ Abuse of Science. Tbh I never finished it because I thought the premise was a bit unethical at the time. He and Jean Bricmont wrote and published loads of articles in prestigious postmodernist journals. But they made up the science and the maths, suggesting that science is regularly abuse e.g. by people citing Lacan and Derrida favourably. I might dig it out and have another look.

              Pity about Popper. Oh well.

        • @NikkiBOP
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          12 years ago

          Yeah that was my post lol, maybe I should take another look at that

          • @redtea
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            12 years ago

            Haha. Damn, I even checked the name of the OP (i.e. you) for that thread before I replied to you here, but I had ‘Ayulin’ in my head as I had just replied to slither comment above.

            You’re asking good questions, though, so keep it up!