A veteran South African official details meeting with an unprepared and “desperate” Acting Deputy Secretary of State Victoria Nuland begging for local help on rolling back the popular coup in Niger. The recent BRICS conference might give Nuland even more to fret about. When US Acting Deputy Secretary of State Victoria Nuland traveled to South Africa on July 29, her reputation as a blunt instrument of Washington’s hegemonic interests preceded her. According to a veteran South African official who attended […]
At least this means that the Niger coup really was unlikely to have been orchestrated by the US like some were speculating, unless it’s just a case of the intelligence apparatus neglecting to inform the state department of its current machinations…
Edit: to clarify, those speculations already had problems and this makes it even more unlikely
That was definitely part of the criticism of those speculations, although tbh I havent really noticed the mainstream media talking about the situation in Niger like… at all.
yeah I guess I should specify “mainstream media specifically intended for English-speaking audiences” whenever I say “mainstream media” during discussions lol
BF isnt ML? Also, I dont think you saw my most recent comment, the speculation was that if this newest government was helped along by the US they would kick the French out to harm their energy independence through the lack of extremely cheap uranium and would have to turn to the US (like they did to Germany by blowing up the Nordstream). There were already problems with this theory (and I think the presence of Wagner was one of them?), and I think this is further evidence that’s not a correct theory
Its hard to argue this is the way the US would have wanted it to go, Niger coming closer to forming a communist/socialist bloc with BF & Angola and the wider BRICS community.
That’s the PM, Tambelá, comrade, not the president (who truly wields power), Traroré. Now, it’s a good sign that he’s at least not an anticommunist because he was willing to give a position in government to a ML like Tambelá, but as far as actually being a ML he hasn’t shown any other signs of that. It’s far more likely that he just generally wants the west out of the country, and he thinks that appointing a popular person in BF to (from what I can tell) a relatively weak position in government will help ensure the support of the population.
However, this also means Traroré potentially has a dedicated ML whispering in his ear, so I’m optimistic that he could take a turn to being a true Sankarist in his own right in the near future.
I’m regretfully extremely uninformed about the state of socialism in Africa in the 21st century, I was under the impression Angola is led by like ML grifters who haven’t improved the plight of their workers the entire time they’ve been in power, do you have any reading on Angola as a whole then, or just socialism in Africa in the 21st century?
Eh but installing a government that kicks you and your allies out isnt just causing chaos, it would be actively shooting yourself in the foot. Now, the speculation was that this was to get France off of cheap uranium so they would have to buy more LNG, but I’ve seen good criticisms of that theory, and this seems like more evidence that the US didnt want this coup to happen. Could also be a bad thing, if it doesnt have the backing of the US it means they could easily be a target for our intelligence apparatus to topple in some way or another
Fair, but this would be a particularly weak casus belli, plus the media is priming us for war against either China or Mexico, this would be an extremely weird and hard pivot
It’s not on mainstream news as much as china fear mongering, but all the flailing about the border and cartels has a militaristic bent to it, like we will need to invade mexico to get them to control their side of the border and clean up the cartels, although that is normally only explicitly said on the most deranged right wing media outlets, but you still see a bit of a general sentiment trickle up through the rest of the media, especially on fox news
exactly my point, if any part of the right wing is pushing for something there is a good chance the rest will follow eventually. Personally I think it just is going to depend on whether those who want war with China in the ruling class beat out those who don’t, if they do obviously we have war with China, if they don’t I think we pivot to war with Mexico.
I should say it seems most likely that they really really want to go to war against China, but there’s conflict within the ruling class about that (see all the “we have to go to war by 2025!” BS vs the billionaires who still make trips over there to reassure China that everything’s fine), and that they output all the shit about the border and cartels to give themselves a pivot point for another war to distract Americans from their material conditions.
At least this means that the Niger coup really was unlikely to have been orchestrated by the US like some were speculating, unless it’s just a case of the intelligence apparatus neglecting to inform the state department of its current machinations…
Edit: to clarify, those speculations already had problems and this makes it even more unlikely
Mainstream media was seething when it happened, made it pretty obvious imo.
That was definitely part of the criticism of those speculations, although tbh I havent really noticed the mainstream media talking about the situation in Niger like… at all.
We need a french comrade to inform us on this lol.
yeah I guess I should specify “mainstream media specifically intended for English-speaking audiences” whenever I say “mainstream media” during discussions lol
It’s been consistently described as a coup since, too. Compare that to Ukraine’s coup.
Yup exactly. It’s a coup when they are against it, it’s a popular uprising when they promote it.
I knew it wasnt because they where telling france to take a hike and allying with BF, a ML state.
Also y’know, wagner helping them out. I dont see washington allying with wagner to squash french infulence in the region.
BF isnt ML? Also, I dont think you saw my most recent comment, the speculation was that if this newest government was helped along by the US they would kick the French out to harm their energy independence through the lack of extremely cheap uranium and would have to turn to the US (like they did to Germany by blowing up the Nordstream). There were already problems with this theory (and I think the presence of Wagner was one of them?), and I think this is further evidence that’s not a correct theory
It is, the new commander who took over in a coup is a turbo-commie interested in reviving Sankaras legacy, hes pretty based.
https://hoodcommunist.org/2023/03/02/the-homeland-or-death-accomplishments-of-the-traore-government-in-burkina-faso/amp/
Its hard to argue this is the way the US would have wanted it to go, Niger coming closer to forming a communist/socialist bloc with BF & Angola and the wider BRICS community.
That’s the PM, Tambelá, comrade, not the president (who truly wields power), Traroré. Now, it’s a good sign that he’s at least not an anticommunist because he was willing to give a position in government to a ML like Tambelá, but as far as actually being a ML he hasn’t shown any other signs of that. It’s far more likely that he just generally wants the west out of the country, and he thinks that appointing a popular person in BF to (from what I can tell) a relatively weak position in government will help ensure the support of the population.
However, this also means Traroré potentially has a dedicated ML whispering in his ear, so I’m optimistic that he could take a turn to being a true Sankarist in his own right in the near future.
Good point, taken it on. I still have high hopes for them though, especially with a potential angola alliance.
Oh? I wasnt aware of anything involving Angola, do you have an article I could read about that?
Not an article to read, they just would be natural allies if they turned into a ML country.
I’m regretfully extremely uninformed about the state of socialism in Africa in the 21st century, I was under the impression Angola is led by like ML grifters who haven’t improved the plight of their workers the entire time they’ve been in power, do you have any reading on Angola as a whole then, or just socialism in Africa in the 21st century?
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Eh but installing a government that kicks you and your allies out isnt just causing chaos, it would be actively shooting yourself in the foot. Now, the speculation was that this was to get France off of cheap uranium so they would have to buy more LNG, but I’ve seen good criticisms of that theory, and this seems like more evidence that the US didnt want this coup to happen. Could also be a bad thing, if it doesnt have the backing of the US it means they could easily be a target for our intelligence apparatus to topple in some way or another
Casus belli to invade and have it all for themselves? Idk. If there’s one thing the US is good at it’s muddying waters.
Fair, but this would be a particularly weak casus belli, plus the media is priming us for war against either China or Mexico, this would be an extremely weird and hard pivot
A war against Mexico?
It’s not on mainstream news as much as china fear mongering, but all the flailing about the border and cartels has a militaristic bent to it, like we will need to invade mexico to get them to control their side of the border and clean up the cartels, although that is normally only explicitly said on the most deranged right wing media outlets, but you still see a bit of a general sentiment trickle up through the rest of the media, especially on fox news
Unfortunately the most deranged US right wing talking points find there way to the center in short time. This fucking shithole country…
exactly my point, if any part of the right wing is pushing for something there is a good chance the rest will follow eventually. Personally I think it just is going to depend on whether those who want war with China in the ruling class beat out those who don’t, if they do obviously we have war with China, if they don’t I think we pivot to war with Mexico.
I should say it seems most likely that they really really want to go to war against China, but there’s conflict within the ruling class about that (see all the “we have to go to war by 2025!” BS vs the billionaires who still make trips over there to reassure China that everything’s fine), and that they output all the shit about the border and cartels to give themselves a pivot point for another war to distract Americans from their material conditions.
Sorry to spam you, from just 6 months ago
https://twitter.com/EmporiumFred/status/1633149606845636610