Principled failure means dogshit. If half the country don’t even know their side supports the KKK, having a fucking conversation is a lot more valuable than preaching to your base. A reminder Trump fucking won on racism and your principles meant nothing to the people who voted for him. The “No compromise, no discussion.” left on Lemmy is fucking wild. You’re barely a step removed from Anarchy and Civil War and it’s a telling how fucking sheltered you all are for even suggesting it.
One of the reason the left in The Netherlands is in such a shambolic state is because they keep promising things only to compromise with the right, disappointing their voters. What many leftist people need in the west is an actual principal left wing part who does not want to compromise on important left wing topics. One of the reasons our marxist party in Belgium is growing the way it is, is because we don’t compromise on a lot of things. Otherwise you are going to end up like the Dutch Socialist Party and adapt racist immigration policies that have nothing to do with being a leftist. The goal is to educate the masses, not to throw ideals out the window in the hope of getting votes, because that way, only the right will win as they keep moving the goalposts.
My brother, when half the country opposes your viewpoints and the other half side with it compromise is all you have. Yes you can win in certain states on certain policies but you’ll never get the sweeping changes you want. This administration had to fight tooth and nail for fucking student loan forgiveness and it still only ended up being a half-measure. A full-measure never would have passed which is the problem. We all want full measures but so long as the GOP exist we will never get full measures. Compromise is how we get anything done at all. Short of a civil war and a lot of dead Americans, we are at a stalemate and the best solution I personally can come up with is trying to break the the fear and anger the right uses to control their voters. But that happens with talks and compromise, not ideals and radical propositions. Steps, not leaps.
There is the idea of the Conservative Ratchet. I do recommend looking it up. I believe it is even discussed in the 2nd thought video that this image is from. I’m not intelligent enough to describe it in text when there are people far better then me who have already done a far better job explaining it. But I do recommend it as a source of study.
More people die from starvation, homelessness, and avoidable diseases. These problems could be treated in an instant with a socialist system. The benefits outweigh any cost.
None of us believe the revolution will happen overnight. We believe in building the revolution through raising class-conscienceness. We understand that what needs to happen takes time, and we understand that sometimes it’s a Sisyphusian struggle. It’s not “no compromise, no discussion” as you stated, we understand the need for discussion. Talk to any principled communist, you’ll get an honest discussion. But you also have to understand that there’s absolutely no room for compromise if that compromise means counter-revolutionaries can prevent actual change from happening. If you’ve heard the adage “give an inch, take a mile”, that applies in the instance of building a brighter future.
If we let racists have a say, they’ll prevent measures to repair racial relations. If we let sexists have a say, they’ll prevent measures for gender equality. If we let supporters of the current socio-economic system have a say, they’ll prevent the transition to a better system. This isn’t just conjecture, these are things that we’ve learned from previous revolutions, and from our efforts towards creating new revolutions. Marxism-Leninism is a scientific ideology, we observe the world, explain it, then learn from it. We have learned that we can’t compromise, or detractors will take everything away from the revolution that they can.
Further, we understand that the revolution will, very likely, come in the form of social upheaval and civil war. No successful revolution has come into being without bloodshed. We know we can’t just vote socialism into being. When the revolution eventually comes, it will be solidified by the deaths of many of our fellow countryfolk. This isn’t something we take pride in, this isn’t something we wish for. But it’s something we deeply understand.
You have tried to make a point, without understanding that this is something that we’re already fully aware of. History says it, our theory says it, our forums say it. You’re reminding us of something we’ve all read and discussed many times.
I used to be an enlightened ‘the truth is in the middle’ centrist until I realized that the real world requires having actual ideals
Eventually you’ll reach the point I did which is that ideals are great but are rarely ever realized, thus, compromise is essential.
Or you’ll reach a point at which you develop real principles, such as “don’t compromise with fascists like the KKK”
Principled failure means dogshit. If half the country don’t even know their side supports the KKK, having a fucking conversation is a lot more valuable than preaching to your base. A reminder Trump fucking won on racism and your principles meant nothing to the people who voted for him. The “No compromise, no discussion.” left on Lemmy is fucking wild. You’re barely a step removed from Anarchy and Civil War and it’s a telling how fucking sheltered you all are for even suggesting it.
One of the reason the left in The Netherlands is in such a shambolic state is because they keep promising things only to compromise with the right, disappointing their voters. What many leftist people need in the west is an actual principal left wing part who does not want to compromise on important left wing topics. One of the reasons our marxist party in Belgium is growing the way it is, is because we don’t compromise on a lot of things. Otherwise you are going to end up like the Dutch Socialist Party and adapt racist immigration policies that have nothing to do with being a leftist. The goal is to educate the masses, not to throw ideals out the window in the hope of getting votes, because that way, only the right will win as they keep moving the goalposts.
My brother, when half the country opposes your viewpoints and the other half side with it compromise is all you have. Yes you can win in certain states on certain policies but you’ll never get the sweeping changes you want. This administration had to fight tooth and nail for fucking student loan forgiveness and it still only ended up being a half-measure. A full-measure never would have passed which is the problem. We all want full measures but so long as the GOP exist we will never get full measures. Compromise is how we get anything done at all. Short of a civil war and a lot of dead Americans, we are at a stalemate and the best solution I personally can come up with is trying to break the the fear and anger the right uses to control their voters. But that happens with talks and compromise, not ideals and radical propositions. Steps, not leaps.
There is the idea of the Conservative Ratchet. I do recommend looking it up. I believe it is even discussed in the 2nd thought video that this image is from. I’m not intelligent enough to describe it in text when there are people far better then me who have already done a far better job explaining it. But I do recommend it as a source of study.
too many conversations, not enough action
Nobody gets from capitalism to socialism overnight without a lot of people dying.
More people die from starvation, homelessness, and avoidable diseases. These problems could be treated in an instant with a socialist system. The benefits outweigh any cost.
Bro, you’re on a Marxist-Leninist instance.
None of us believe the revolution will happen overnight. We believe in building the revolution through raising class-conscienceness. We understand that what needs to happen takes time, and we understand that sometimes it’s a Sisyphusian struggle. It’s not “no compromise, no discussion” as you stated, we understand the need for discussion. Talk to any principled communist, you’ll get an honest discussion. But you also have to understand that there’s absolutely no room for compromise if that compromise means counter-revolutionaries can prevent actual change from happening. If you’ve heard the adage “give an inch, take a mile”, that applies in the instance of building a brighter future.
If we let racists have a say, they’ll prevent measures to repair racial relations. If we let sexists have a say, they’ll prevent measures for gender equality. If we let supporters of the current socio-economic system have a say, they’ll prevent the transition to a better system. This isn’t just conjecture, these are things that we’ve learned from previous revolutions, and from our efforts towards creating new revolutions. Marxism-Leninism is a scientific ideology, we observe the world, explain it, then learn from it. We have learned that we can’t compromise, or detractors will take everything away from the revolution that they can.
Further, we understand that the revolution will, very likely, come in the form of social upheaval and civil war. No successful revolution has come into being without bloodshed. We know we can’t just vote socialism into being. When the revolution eventually comes, it will be solidified by the deaths of many of our fellow countryfolk. This isn’t something we take pride in, this isn’t something we wish for. But it’s something we deeply understand.
You have tried to make a point, without understanding that this is something that we’re already fully aware of. History says it, our theory says it, our forums say it. You’re reminding us of something we’ve all read and discussed many times.
What