we need to instigate mass killing and war to prevent another holocaust.
I think it’s a tad more insidious than that. Remember the appeasement policy towards Nazi Germany? There are comparisons being made between that and the current hesitation to wage war against Russia. The talking point is “IF PUTIN IS NOT STOPPED IN UKRAINE, WHERE WILL HE STOP?!!11”. So yeah, the potential nuclear war is being presented as preventing the new Holocaust, and learning from past mistakes.
You see, Chamberlain didn’t want war, and that was bad. The moral of the story is: not wanting war is always bad and wanting war is always good. r/iamverysmart
Exactly right. Citations Needed has an episode on precisely this “appeal to appeasement” fallacy and how it’s been abused to justify wars since WW2. The way they’re using it in regards to the Ukraine situation is ofc the final conclusion and worst excess of it - charges of appeasement are being used to force the rearmament of Germany and it supplying weapons to literal Nazis to kill Russians again.
These appeals and comparisons to WW2, Hitler and the Holocaust have always downplayed and somewhat legitimized the Nazis implicitly. Now, as natural consequence, it’s being done explicitly.
I think it’s a tad more insidious than that. Remember the appeasement policy towards Nazi Germany? There are comparisons being made between that and the current hesitation to wage war against Russia. The talking point is “IF PUTIN IS NOT STOPPED IN UKRAINE, WHERE WILL HE STOP?!!11”. So yeah, the potential nuclear war is being presented as preventing the new Holocaust, and learning from past mistakes.
You see, Chamberlain didn’t want war, and that was bad. The moral of the story is: not wanting war is always bad and wanting war is always good. r/iamverysmart
Pretty much
Exactly right. Citations Needed has an episode on precisely this “appeal to appeasement” fallacy and how it’s been abused to justify wars since WW2. The way they’re using it in regards to the Ukraine situation is ofc the final conclusion and worst excess of it - charges of appeasement are being used to force the rearmament of Germany and it supplying weapons to literal Nazis to kill Russians again.
These appeals and comparisons to WW2, Hitler and the Holocaust have always downplayed and somewhat legitimized the Nazis implicitly. Now, as natural consequence, it’s being done explicitly.