Liberals only oppose fascists that invade imperialist countries like in the two inter imperial war of Europe which are called world war 1 and 2 by Eurocentric Liberals. The liberals were rooting for Nazi Germany until Stalin sign a truce to recover from Russian civil war and industrialize Russia in preparation for war.
The organized and ‘civilized’ fascist approach to civilization was the darling of world leaders. They were wholly taken in by the aesthetics that acted as a thin veneer to the decay that fascism feeds on. Plus racists get along pretty well with other racists. It wasn’t until Germany revealed its expansionist interests (a necessity to keep the fascistic mode of production from imploding) that the Allies realized that their interests weren’t aligned with Hitler’s, moreso in geopolitical terms rather than ideological. And it was a struggle to keep Allied businesses out of Germany as explained in the links above.
The USSR, on the other hand, found fascism disgusting from the beginning. And Stalin instructed Molotov to be mistrustful of German promises when negotiating borders (Hitler wanted to sell the idea of the New World Order to Molotov but it didn’t hit when Molotov insisted on asking about Germany’s plans for eastward expansion). Eventually they’d bought enough time that when negotiations fell through, Russia’s productive forces were built up enough to survive the Nazi invasion.
Thank you comrade, I will very much be reading on these sources. Liberals, especially western ones, always were too fond of the fascist bastards for my liking. It’s time to establish why.
Although Churchill wanted Italy to become a democratic country, he considered that the monarchy and Marshal Pietro Badoglio, who became Italy’s prime minister after Mussolini was overthrown on July 25, 1943, were the best guarantors of the traditional social order and instrumental for the collaboration of the state apparatus in running occupied Italy, not the anti‐Fascists.
Those are all great points and a good read, although I had assumed you were talking about the pro-liberal civilians in those nations rather than liberal leadership of them. I find the public are more likely to be idealist and might be more skeptical of nationalism and socialism (which the nazi party pretended to be)
I mean, Blackshirts were kind of a big deal in the UK and there was a Nazi rally held in Seattle, WA. Public opinion is swayed by what leaders and capitalists put in newspapers, so fascism wasn’t exactly unpopular. That said, control of information wasn’t so all encompassing and smoothed out in bias for liberalism as it is now, so you could have a big CPUSA branch and the German American Bund in the same town where Democrats were in the actual seats of power.
pre war many were, they were doing the whole “look how much of a strong leader he is” “look how he’s cleaning up his country” and other such false propaganda claims to suck their single testicle
If you still haven’t, read Richard Grunberger’s “A Social History of The Third Reich” - it’s an old book, but it is a book everyone interested in the topic of nazi germany should absolutely read.
Liberals only oppose fascists that invade imperialist countries like in the two inter imperial war of Europe which are called world war 1 and 2 by Eurocentric Liberals. The liberals were rooting for Nazi Germany until Stalin sign a truce to recover from Russian civil war and industrialize Russia in preparation for war.
Got any links for me to read into this? It seems unlikely to me, even pre-war.
I knew I’d get a chance to use these some day:
How the Allied multinationals supplied Nazi Germany through World War II
Fascist plots in the U.S.: Contemporary lessons from the 1934 “Business Plot”
Was Winston Churchill a supporter or an opponent of Fascism?
The organized and ‘civilized’ fascist approach to civilization was the darling of world leaders. They were wholly taken in by the aesthetics that acted as a thin veneer to the decay that fascism feeds on. Plus racists get along pretty well with other racists. It wasn’t until Germany revealed its expansionist interests (a necessity to keep the fascistic mode of production from imploding) that the Allies realized that their interests weren’t aligned with Hitler’s, moreso in geopolitical terms rather than ideological. And it was a struggle to keep Allied businesses out of Germany as explained in the links above.
The USSR, on the other hand, found fascism disgusting from the beginning. And Stalin instructed Molotov to be mistrustful of German promises when negotiating borders (Hitler wanted to sell the idea of the New World Order to Molotov but it didn’t hit when Molotov insisted on asking about Germany’s plans for eastward expansion). Eventually they’d bought enough time that when negotiations fell through, Russia’s productive forces were built up enough to survive the Nazi invasion.
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Thank you comrade, I will very much be reading on these sources. Liberals, especially western ones, always were too fond of the fascist bastards for my liking. It’s time to establish why.
Those are all great points and a good read, although I had assumed you were talking about the pro-liberal civilians in those nations rather than liberal leadership of them. I find the public are more likely to be idealist and might be more skeptical of nationalism and socialism (which the nazi party pretended to be)
I mean, Blackshirts were kind of a big deal in the UK and there was a Nazi rally held in Seattle, WA. Public opinion is swayed by what leaders and capitalists put in newspapers, so fascism wasn’t exactly unpopular. That said, control of information wasn’t so all encompassing and smoothed out in bias for liberalism as it is now, so you could have a big CPUSA branch and the German American Bund in the same town where Democrats were in the actual seats of power.
pre war many were, they were doing the whole “look how much of a strong leader he is” “look how he’s cleaning up his country” and other such false propaganda claims to suck their single testicle
If you still haven’t, read Richard Grunberger’s “A Social History of The Third Reich” - it’s an old book, but it is a book everyone interested in the topic of nazi germany should absolutely read.
I’ll put it on my list