The thing is we are too politically and physically divided. Do you think it’s possible for a region of the US to break off, instead of the whole country, and if so where?
If I absolutely had to pick somewhere, I would guess the West coast / Pacific northwest. Yes, they have some of the loudest pseudo left capitalist lib cringe shit, but they also have a big socdem/demsoc population (Bernie people ripe for radicalization, at least moreso than most other types of Americans) and a not-nonexistent communist population. It would be feasible to pull off as they have a HUGE economy, manufacturing, tech etc. so independence from America wouldn’t fail overnight. They also have a large population of fascists that would be a huge thorn in their side–the “state” of Jefferson could bleed California dry (literally, lots of California water passes through their territory) before they had a chance to retaliate.
This is just going off of what I know, and now. There’s also several major cities that have huge potential and I could see an actually-based actually-effective pragmatic CHAZ type deal developing in one, even if it didn’t last (all depends too on how powerful the American federal state is at said point).
The more interesting variable I am looking towards is our lumpenproles. We have written them off as all irredeemably fascist and certainly terminally anticommunist but I don’t see this as necessarily set in stone, it would be amazing if we could reach the disaffected rural Americans with an explicitly communist program and this would flip the entire situation on its head. I have lots of experience talking to “salt-of-the-earth” Americans and many of them are more confused and misled than dedicated to a self replicating ideology of fascism or capitalism or anti communism. I have found many will even espouse communist and egalitarian talking points (stripped of buzzwords, of course) with little rhyme or rhythm–in between capitalist, fascist, and bigoted talking points of various degrees. There is definitely a hunger for something they don’t realize that only communism can provide, a hunger for meritocracy and rationale decision making and an end to corruption and exploitation. They are bitter and resigned to “the way things are” in many ways and trillions of dollars of Red Scare has disfigured their perspective, but man oh man, if that levee were to break even for a second…America would wash red in months. Both in a good way and a bad way. I definitely don’t think our ruling class would relinquish without a nasty fight, not that I don’t wish to be wrong.
I’m really talking out of my ass here but some of this is based on harder evidence, e.g. Google Bernie donations you will find a huge chunk in California–it’s not an end-all be-all but what am I going to do, find a heat map of genuine communists in America? Good luck…
I also want to see how foreign interference might work. If USA got weakened enough, would China drop its policy of playing nice with the capitalist world hegemony and try and push some resources towards a revolution in America? Or something similar? Would the capitalists flee, if so where? Could they establish a new, desperate, last attempt of an America on some other lands?
Yeah, I feel like California would be a good place to consolidate our MLs in America. It has lots of Bernie supporters, Worsening conditions for the poor (price of houses, car centric, huge race disparity, etc) a discontent with the current government. But also geographically strategic, it’s huge, the rockies act as a buffer from the rest of the US, far away from Washington, and would be close enough to get aid from China. Economically it would be a huge dent in the American bourgeoisie, and it could be swing to the back of the legs for the eventual demise of the Empire.
Being in a red state, I also agree our country folk have good values just misinformed. I have an idea to make an ML party, but it’s ambiguous in its iconography as not to scare off the public. All we need to do is gain their trust with actions, and describe our mission without the “scary” words then we can rope them in to Socialism.
YES! I definitely think we should have both very blatant and blunt and honest attempts to win people over and very careful, sugar-coated attempts that avoid the buzzwords and water from poisoned wells.
The thing is we are too politically and physically divided. Do you think it’s possible for a region of the US to break off, instead of the whole country, and if so where?
If I absolutely had to pick somewhere, I would guess the West coast / Pacific northwest. Yes, they have some of the loudest pseudo left capitalist lib cringe shit, but they also have a big socdem/demsoc population (Bernie people ripe for radicalization, at least moreso than most other types of Americans) and a not-nonexistent communist population. It would be feasible to pull off as they have a HUGE economy, manufacturing, tech etc. so independence from America wouldn’t fail overnight. They also have a large population of fascists that would be a huge thorn in their side–the “state” of Jefferson could bleed California dry (literally, lots of California water passes through their territory) before they had a chance to retaliate.
This is just going off of what I know, and now. There’s also several major cities that have huge potential and I could see an actually-based actually-effective pragmatic CHAZ type deal developing in one, even if it didn’t last (all depends too on how powerful the American federal state is at said point).
The more interesting variable I am looking towards is our lumpenproles. We have written them off as all irredeemably fascist and certainly terminally anticommunist but I don’t see this as necessarily set in stone, it would be amazing if we could reach the disaffected rural Americans with an explicitly communist program and this would flip the entire situation on its head. I have lots of experience talking to “salt-of-the-earth” Americans and many of them are more confused and misled than dedicated to a self replicating ideology of fascism or capitalism or anti communism. I have found many will even espouse communist and egalitarian talking points (stripped of buzzwords, of course) with little rhyme or rhythm–in between capitalist, fascist, and bigoted talking points of various degrees. There is definitely a hunger for something they don’t realize that only communism can provide, a hunger for meritocracy and rationale decision making and an end to corruption and exploitation. They are bitter and resigned to “the way things are” in many ways and trillions of dollars of Red Scare has disfigured their perspective, but man oh man, if that levee were to break even for a second…America would wash red in months. Both in a good way and a bad way. I definitely don’t think our ruling class would relinquish without a nasty fight, not that I don’t wish to be wrong.
I’m really talking out of my ass here but some of this is based on harder evidence, e.g. Google Bernie donations you will find a huge chunk in California–it’s not an end-all be-all but what am I going to do, find a heat map of genuine communists in America? Good luck…
I also want to see how foreign interference might work. If USA got weakened enough, would China drop its policy of playing nice with the capitalist world hegemony and try and push some resources towards a revolution in America? Or something similar? Would the capitalists flee, if so where? Could they establish a new, desperate, last attempt of an America on some other lands?
Yeah, I feel like California would be a good place to consolidate our MLs in America. It has lots of Bernie supporters, Worsening conditions for the poor (price of houses, car centric, huge race disparity, etc) a discontent with the current government. But also geographically strategic, it’s huge, the rockies act as a buffer from the rest of the US, far away from Washington, and would be close enough to get aid from China. Economically it would be a huge dent in the American bourgeoisie, and it could be swing to the back of the legs for the eventual demise of the Empire.
Being in a red state, I also agree our country folk have good values just misinformed. I have an idea to make an ML party, but it’s ambiguous in its iconography as not to scare off the public. All we need to do is gain their trust with actions, and describe our mission without the “scary” words then we can rope them in to Socialism.
YES! I definitely think we should have both very blatant and blunt and honest attempts to win people over and very careful, sugar-coated attempts that avoid the buzzwords and water from poisoned wells.