I’ve seen different perspectives say its either a winning strategy ( they stand to alienate little brother Europe from daddy US, and possibly make them dependent on US natural gas ), or that its a losing strategy ( that in the long term it will only stand to unite China, Russia, India, etc more closely, contribute to de-dollarization, etc)

Do you think the west’s strategy is sound, or are they merely making mistakes typical of dying empires?

  • lemmygrabber
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    72 years ago

    Seems like Zelinsky has stated now that NATO won’t accept Ukraine. I can only guess but judging from his earlier insistence of a NATO-backed no fly zone, he was probably harbouring the delusion that a membership was on the cards.

    EU should not end up relying only on US for fuel because that will be disasterous for them. If those making the decision have more than two brain cells they will continue to buy fuel from Russia while hastening the transition to alternative energy sources.

    Russia and China are already allied. Their usage of dollars among themselves is going down every year. Regarding India I have no idea what the future holds. Looks like America’a dog only when it comes to China. The administration refused to condemn Russia for the invasion and now social media is full of sanghi buttholes wanting Russia to shed blood in Ukraine. I think India is still in west’s clutches. They have the control of our communication and ecommerce infrastructure. Because of how much Indian businesses rely on American and European businesses I don’t think any sort of decoupling is anywhere on the horizon right now.

    But still only Russia and China trading fluidly will be a win for the non-“international community”. As much as I personally want there to be no wars I can’t imagine how else this could have gone. There was no “diplomatic solution” to America’s chicanery to try and balkanise Russia.

    • Muad'DibberOPMA
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      52 years ago

      EU should not end up relying only on US for fuel because that will be disasterous for them.

      It really boggles me that europe is going along with this. They can’t see how the US is treating them like a little brother to poke a bear. I’m convinced the only reason its escalating is due to the impressive stranglehold western intelligence agencies like facebook, google, twitter, and reddit have on european and indian social media.

      I spose this isn’t an important enough event for india to break up with the US over… tbh I can’t see any way it could be done either unless the US starts alienating the wrong people.

    • @TheAnonymouseJoker
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      12 years ago

      India is the most tiptoeing country, I would say. If we found a way to become a capitalist powerhouse that stops being this rural in 21St century, we would stop relying on West. We have a few issues though. Actually, a lot.

      • Nothing like VK or Weibo. Koo is a platform made for Hindutva caste/religion fascists (as you say sanghis). The trade off is dissent becomes a lot more restricted in exchange for national security from government.
      • The problem of being attached this much to religion (in all fairness Russia has the same traditional Christianity problem, but ours eclipses it thanks to population) to the point logic is discarded
      • Being dipped head to toe with Western hegemonic pop culture (even China has this issue)
      • Being trapped into the bread and circus of Western capitalist machinery and Western news/media outlet junk all day and night (Instagram and Twitter wars, YouTube channel fanboy wars)
      • Our politics is a bit less toned, but similar to American duopoly. There is no military industrial complex or megalomaniac global surveillance unlike USA, but Congress (liberal left) and BJP (far right Hindutva fascism) are the 2 big national parties, and BJP controlling almost every TV news channel has made it barely possible for other parties to have voices.
      • A colossal part of India’s internet population that is able to participate in foreign diaspora and communities is mostly upper caste kids from Hindu families that support Hindutva ideology. This is the rich class problem combined with systemic education bias issues. BJP’s foundational father RSS was a stooge of British Raj colonialists, which starts to make a lot of sense.
      • Only in the South states like Tamil Nadu and Kerala do Left socialist parties dominate.
      • Voices of different classes, castes, religions and so on have disproportionate and unequal weight in society. While this is a problem in literally every country in existence, it creates the kind of problem in my next point.
      • 30-35% of these upper caste Hindus hold this kind of mentality. https://i.redd.it/vwzcr51p6c661.jpg

      It is a complex situation, and there are not many voices like mine that do not belong to either side, and are willing to explain this stuff coherently without liberal biases. On the other hand, foreigners are clueless on how to interact, involve and solve problems, as it could spiral into a new vortex of issues due to how incomparably diverse India is (almost as much as Europe plus thousands of native tribes).