People who don’t believe Western lies are genocide deniers apparently. I think they have to make such an extreme claim of “genocide denial” because it sounds so unforgiveable, but it’s just an emotionally charged statement with no proof. And I think that’s the point. No one wants to deny genocides.
The word has been so overused that it means anything that any country is doing that I don’t like, even if there’s no proof of it, because “of course it’s happening there”.
And at the same time, there is plenty of evidence refuting so-called genocides like Xinjiang, like the fact that the population numbers went up, instead of dropping like you’d normally see. Of course the evidence like you mentioned would also be there.
B-but all the anti-Stalin books that make up new claims every so often but all go back to the same few debunked sources. If there’s enough people agree with the position I already decided on it must be true.
The comment ‘those on the far left who defend North Korea are really no different from Holocaust deniers’ was what irritated me the most. Anybody who says that definitely hasn’t read Denying History: Who Says the Holocaust Never Happened and Why Do They Say It?. Aside from showing how the deniers operate (sometimes elevating their deception to the level of a business), it shows that we have plenty of good reasons to consider the Shoah factual: hundreds of documents authored by all sorts of people, photographs taken by all sorts of people, camps that we can still visit, inferential evidence (population demographics), and eyewitness testimony from a huge variety of people, from ordinary survivors to Sonderkommandos to SS guards to commandants to local townsfolk and even to high‐ranking Axis officials. How does the evidence for the DPRK’s rumored atrocities come close to that?
There’s a huge difference between why there’s sufficient evidence to the occurrance of the Holocauast, and why the average liberal believes it. The latter has nothing to do with the reasons you’ve given, they believe because they’ve been told enough times to accept it. As far as they know, there’s as much evidence for the hololdomor and literally anthing bad that could be happening in Xinjiang. There have been a comparable number of headlines saying “there be genocide here” for the others, and that’s the level of scrutiny they have.
Idk about anyone else but to me being equated to Nazis is like the most disrespectful thing to say when it was communists who made countless sacrifices to defeat Nazism in WW2. Unfortunately it didn’t die it completely as it continued business as usual in the US
Ask them what they think of the US’s genocide in Indonesia in the 90s, and when they fuck up you get to make them regret bringing the term into conversation
People who don’t believe Western lies are genocide deniers apparently. I think they have to make such an extreme claim of “genocide denial” because it sounds so unforgiveable, but it’s just an emotionally charged statement with no proof. And I think that’s the point. No one wants to deny genocides.
The word has been so overused that it means anything that any country is doing that I don’t like, even if there’s no proof of it, because “of course it’s happening there”.
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And at the same time, there is plenty of evidence refuting so-called genocides like Xinjiang, like the fact that the population numbers went up, instead of dropping like you’d normally see. Of course the evidence like you mentioned would also be there.
B-but all the anti-Stalin books that make up new claims every so often but all go back to the same few debunked sources. If there’s enough people agree with the position I already decided on it must be true.
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Half of that boils to “Monefiore says” alone and this is entire depth of the citation lol.
Isn’t that the guy who went to Epstein’s pedo island and accused Stalin of banging a 13 year old?
The very same. Also thrown a lot of dung on others too, often with pedophilia card. Anticommunist bingo has his name on more than one square.
The comment ‘those on the far left who defend North Korea are really no different from Holocaust deniers’ was what irritated me the most. Anybody who says that definitely hasn’t read Denying History: Who Says the Holocaust Never Happened and Why Do They Say It?. Aside from showing how the deniers operate (sometimes elevating their deception to the level of a business), it shows that we have plenty of good reasons to consider the Shoah factual: hundreds of documents authored by all sorts of people, photographs taken by all sorts of people, camps that we can still visit, inferential evidence (population demographics), and eyewitness testimony from a huge variety of people, from ordinary survivors to Sonderkommandos to SS guards to commandants to local townsfolk and even to high‐ranking Axis officials. How does the evidence for the DPRK’s rumored atrocities come close to that?
There’s a huge difference between why there’s sufficient evidence to the occurrance of the Holocauast, and why the average liberal believes it. The latter has nothing to do with the reasons you’ve given, they believe because they’ve been told enough times to accept it. As far as they know, there’s as much evidence for the hololdomor and literally anthing bad that could be happening in Xinjiang. There have been a comparable number of headlines saying “there be genocide here” for the others, and that’s the level of scrutiny they have.
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They call us genocide deniers to try and paint us as nazis, it’s the whole “tankie red fash” schtick
Idk about anyone else but to me being equated to Nazis is like the most disrespectful thing to say when it was communists who made countless sacrifices to defeat Nazism in WW2. Unfortunately it didn’t die it completely as it continued business as usual in the US
Yes it’s one of their worst Yakubian vices imo
Ask them what they think of the US’s genocide in Indonesia in the 90s, and when they fuck up you get to make them regret bringing the term into conversation
What about in 1965?
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/10/the-indonesia-documents-and-the-us-agenda/543534/
No fucking way, it’s like a bottomless well of sludge and horror that always manages to go deeper