Curious on what others think. It did make me reconsider my assumptions and in turn, my position on this thing.

Tl;dr: You shouldn’t support Putin at all. Seriously.

As an eastern European Marxist-Leninist it’s actually so fucking sad for me some of western communists think Russia’s attack is good.

Firstly: Russian state is controlled by small amount of politician serving interests of small amount of capitalists. It’s pure oligarchy. If any of you believes Putin is anti-imperialist you’re simply idealists and non-Marxists. Why would a right-wing dictator supported by capitalists be anti-imperialist? It’s false within itself. Just looked at history of Russia after the collapse of Soviet Union: they don’t care about fighting fascists or helping the proletariat. They fight for they’re power and control over east Europe. As all imperialists do, they just try keeping control over as much people and terrains as they can.

Secondly: I see a lot of arguments here that we shouldn’t believe western media and the USA/NATO are the villains. OFCOURSE fuck western media, fuck the USA and fuck the NATO. But this doesn’t mean that Russia is good just, because it’s anti west. Haven’t you all read Lenin? Don’t you remember his own words? “Make imperialists war a civil war”. USA and NATO have interests in controlling Ukraine: that’s a fact. USA did help Ukrainian neofascists: that’s a fact. NATO and USA will probably do war crimes if needed to control Ukraine: that’s a fact. We should look at NATO’s actions and criticize them, showing people how bad they are: that’s a fact. So if western imperialist bad, Russian imperialist good? HELL NO! Russia is still imperialist. The fight over Ukraine is two imperialist powers fighting over domination of one country. Neither of this two forces: NATO/USA and Russia should be praised or supported by us, the communists. We should only support Ukrainian and Russian proletarian and socialist revolutionary organizations that oppose them. And I’ll shock you, but currently with Russia invading Ukraine, Russia is biggest threat to Ukraine than USA. Just ask any Ukrainian what they’re scared of more.

And last but not least: the LPR and DPR republics. They’re controlled by military groups supported by Russia. In this situation we can’t be sure what is real opinion of locals on being out of Ukraine. But even if, hypothetically (oh god I sound like Shapiro) LPR and DPR people’s want to be independent, should we think Putin is genuinely concerned about their independency or should we acknowledge modern Russia is imperialist state under control of capitalists, so they’re probably just willing to use the situation to annex another terrain. Seriously you think Russia which not that long ago fought to still have Chechenia and didn’t care about Chechenia’s people will to be independent, would suddenly become anti-imperialist ally ?! It’s like USA would today say than in some Arabic country there is a weapon of mass destruction and they need to attack this country to destroy it, and some leftists would suddenly think “Oh, USA wants to fight imperialism, how great!!!”.

Sorry for a very emotional rant, but as an eastern European I’m so mad some leftists believe Russian government. You must all remember: there is no more USSR, there is right-wing Russia which hates communists, is counter-revolutionary and wants to become the new Russian Empire just like before the October Revolution. It’s good you don’t trust western media, but it would be cool if you didn’t support other imperialists too.

  • @chad1234
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    102 years ago

    Do not reduce the topic to “is nation X imperialist/capitalist/good etc, yes/no?”

    The capitalist system exists as a inside a system of a global empire centered on the USA and NATO. Individual nations do not exist on separate planets and then choose whether to be capitalist or imperialist.

    If the USA succeeds in gaining control over the whole world, global capitalism will be strengthened and there will be greater difficulties for future socialist states to be established.