Some comrades on Discord were saying that the USSR during Khrushchev’s time was putting down communist movements in Peru and India and supporting the reactionary Indian government. The Peru stuff is rather dubious considering that Fujimori rose to power during Gorby’s time, but the Khrushchevites started acting imperialist towards the rest of the Eastern Bloc. (Ulbricht was soooooo much better than Honecker as Honecker simped for the Khrushchevites). That comrade has some interesting opinions on China, such as that the CPC isn’t really socialist after the right-deviationist takeover by Deng. I think that the Go4 were better than Deng, and that Xi Jinping’s trying to clean up the mess made by Jiang and Hu.
I would take anything you hear from discord maoists with a heavy grain of salt
they say they’re ML-MZT, not MLM
Yea sounds like a MLM who’s lying, no one who claims to be ML-MZT and actually is would ever say china isnt socialist
Don’t go there, comrade. Don’t complete your bad takes on current conflict with the bad takes on China taken from maoists.
That comrade has some interesting opinions on China, such as that the CPC isn’t really socialist after the right-deviationist takeover by Deng.
This isn’t interesting, this is the bog standard, billion times regurgitated claim by every single ultra in the internet.
You have just performed the cyber equivalent of shaking up several carbonated beverages, and tossing them into a library filled with leftists.
My recommendation to this is to avoid the path others who have come to the same conclusions as you have fallen into: The story of the ultra left on Lemmygrad is one of exile due to an inability to play nicely with others. One can be pro-GO4 and/or anti-Dengist, but one must be respectful with others who do not hold the same views and one must be productive as well. Propagate your understanding of events, do not spend your time solely attacking others for theirs, whether their view seems revisionist to you or not. I believe there is a difference between being pro-GO4 and/or anti-Dengist and being an ultra left 3rd worldist/Maoist. I too once held similar views and this is why I say this.
I will say Khrushchev was hindered by the pre-existing Soviet infrastructure as well as the interests of the Soviet People and of course the geopolitical position the SU held which is evident when evaluating present day Russia who still occupies this space however without being in it with the other conditions present as well. This is why much of post Socialist MOP/revisionist USSR is remembered diversely by the Soviet Peoples with some saying good and bad things about the leadership (namely Brezhnev).
well, i kinda went the other way, from seeing the go4 as ultras to seeing the go4 as the real sucfessors to mao
interesting
I don’t know what he could have possibly done to support communists in India. The freedom movement led by the Indian National Congress was led by the wealthy, upper-caste, landlords and other kinds of opportunists. Despite that they had a mass following that no other movement that which lent them the legitimacy which allowed them to win the first election. The Indian people did not know that the Conngress was gonna shaft them with awful economic policies.
How do they say that Khruschev “put down” the Indian communists? I would have assumed USSR in this situation would have just recognised the elected government as legitimate and engaged in trade and diplomatic relations with them, which involved selling military equipment. Is this what they mean?
Well, if you want more than opinions on China, we have a whole encyclopedic page on SWCC: https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/Socialism_with_Chinese_Characteristics (and follow the links of course to other pages). I’m being a bit facetious, but ultras who don’t support China rarely have arguments that hold water against SWCC
So you’ve gone full on ultra? Not too surprised seeing your previous takes, but if you genuinely are speaking in good faith and aren’t just deliberately shit stirring by being controversial, I urge you to steer clear of any so called “comrades” who think China is not socialist, because at this point you’re coming across like someone from Wisconsin.
however, the lack of open criticism of the CPC that was ubiquitous during Mao does raise some questions
