• 小莱卡
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    7 hours ago

    Buvic is definitely a target for being insufferable bothsidesy.

  • PolandIsAStateOfMind
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    8 hours ago

    No way US pumps more money in Poland than Germany, unless this is counting all the expenses on their base in Poland as “direct investment”

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      7 hours ago

      I don’t know for the other years, and couldn’t easily find data to conclude, but the article writes that :

      Intel, a chipmaker, picked Poland for a $4.6bn plant

      That’d be 4.6bn out of the ~$7bn on the graph

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              Going by what happening with Intel right now, i stronly suspect it’s only empty talk. Though knowing Polish government and its servilism towards America, i wouldn’t be even very surprised if Poland funded 100% of that factory, after all it’s exactly what they were doing in 90’s

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                I’ve quickly documented myself on the “polish economic miracle” a few years ago, but only remember that it was linked with millions of polish working in other european countries, as well as important foreign direct investments, you seem knowledgeable so perhaps could you redirect me towards some explanations for this, or take a bit of your time to explain it to me yourself ? I’ve also postponed the understanding for China’s success, this topic of “Why do some countries become wealthy and not others” is among the most interesting possible.
                Also, having never heard of Poland(, or any country for that matter,) funding 100% of a company while leaving the dividends to foreign hands, i’d like to know more about that as well if you have the time and/or a link.

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          I.d.k., but even if it was scrapped it’s probably counted in.

          I’ve found this graph here :

          This table here may be a good enough answer ?

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            7 hours ago

            This graph is not related at all, it’s from 2021 and it’s global investments, look at the y axis. Poland would barely be shown there as pixel. And in the other graphs in your link you can see that US investments in Poland were less than Belgian or Swiss or Swedish, and even by the ultimate flow of capital still half of German ones and less than Netherlands.

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              This graph is not related at all, it’s from 2021 and it’s global investments, look at the y axis. Poland would barely be shown there as pixel.
              And in the other graphs in your link you can see that US investments in Poland were less than Belgian or Swiss or Swedish

              Yep, you’re right about the y-axis, i’ve read that too quickly.
              And the other graphs in the pdf seem indeed to confirm that 2023 was an exception :

              I should probably research it a bit more to have a more precise point of view.

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    8 hours ago

    Whatever the hell it happens it will be exactly the same because there is no saving this 2 fascist hellholes since 30 years ago.

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      I should probably stop having clashes online, but i’ve nothing else to do currently.

      I’d say : isolate yourself then.
      On my part, i’ll believe we need allies and not “left purity”, let’s survive first.
      Also, feel free to disagree but even after ensuring the survival of the communist ideals i want a multipolar/multinodal world, i don’t want a uniform communist world-state but communists, theocrats, monarchists, real/direct democrats, “anarcho”-capitalists, extreme ecologists, and many more. I.d.c. about world domination, it’s not desirable, feel free to dislike these countries but i won’t.

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        Buh this is pure fascism here, nothing can change it except comunnist revolution which has 0% chance of happening, if you know anything about these countries and Balkan in general, you would know what I’m talking about. If you don’t, I have few links I can send you where I explained situation more or less.

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              Wow, that was very informative on more than one level, i wrote answers to more than a dozen comments these past days and yours is probably my favorite, thanks !

              The situation you described initially reminded me of accounts i’ve read from eastern europe, but then progressively i’ve realized that it’s probably the same in other countries with the rise of the far-right everywhere and the displacement of the Overton window. In France we’ve pretty much sold every single public company, and Serbia is incredibly much more socialist than i first thought, you almost don’t have any communists in France, our far-far-left political parties are trostkyists that are anti-Russia(, i’ll still vote for them obviously, our medias wouldn’t leave them alone if they supported Venezuela, Russia, etc., and don’t even begin with North Korea,) and probably consider China a dictatorship, while our “socialist party” has been capitalist for decades, etc. Serbia in comparison doesn’t seem worse, i’ve lived all my life without knowing what socialism means, you still have remnants.
              Once capitalists are in power, it’s not surprising for anti-communism to be on the rise, please don’t blame the population too much for not taking weapons, we’ll have to do counter-propaganda ideally but our funds are more meager and i could understand if it seems like a lost cause. For that matter, i don’t think that a communist revolution is likely to happen in France(, where i’m from,) either, nor in the u.s.a.
              I misunderstood what you meant by “there is no saving” before, i thought that you were, e.g., french or american, and deemed these countries much worse than your own, when you’re in fact comparing it the inspiring Yugoslavia of Tito(, believe it or not, despite its closeness, most french people don’t know him and forgot about Yugoslavia, and he would obviously be classified as a dictator for not having bourgeois democracy). I didn’t realize that your criticism came from the inside, but please do not despair ! Things change, and indeed these graphs show that Serbia isn’t as anti-China as you thought(, the same goes for Hungary), it’s at least one reason to rejoice.

              Ah, and pardon me, but your grandmother seems awesome(, do you have any idea what my family members believes in(, i’m honestly not complaining) ? Having a grandmother that likes Lenin&Stalin and even believes that V.Putin is a crypto-socialist seems awesome/unbelievable, congratulations, she’s even surfing the web, and she stops when he’s talking about the replacement theory ? Man, we also have whole channels and political parties that talk about this all day, my grandmother has already integrated this as a fact many years ago and believes that immigrants are the cause of crimes, not poverty(, and is also certain that crimes are on the rise, like a lot of people, even if surveys show the contrary, we’re beyond being anti-communist by forgetting about it)).
              (For the record, i’m not saying that being against economic immigration is immoral, but not treating the unfair causes is, because i’m picturing an hopefully false future in which we’ll live centuries among richs behind our walls, while the rest of our human family lives ‘exploited by’&‘poorer than’ us with, e.g., an inferior salary, if i’m wrong and international inequalities aren’t a moral problem, or will soon disappear, then let’s “save our culture from destruction” by closing our borders to these poorer/exploited guys, otherwise let’s focus instead on treating the causes(, while making sure it won’t bite us afterwards,) because i certainly don’t want such selfish future)

              B.t.w., are you financially independent with your own place ? If not, it’ll get better at this moment according to my experience, some people are annoying(, but, i mean, your aunt still claim to be socialist, my family members don’t even want to debate so i’m explicitly told to shut up each time(, we’ll still love each other though, just that no politics or any other debate is allowed, you can imagine how watching the news while eating quickly gets challenging :))), but even if they’re annoying you’ll have to challenge yourself as this is the occasion to bring the best of yourself, to try small pertinent comments in a loving voice if you manage to, and take time to let them explain their worldview to you even if you already know it(, sometimes ending their sentences if it gets too long).
              That’s just my personal opinion, we’re here to make this world a better place aren’t we ? Nobody’s perfect(, very clearly myself first).

              I’ve got time, so we could be (learning from each other by) having a debate on religion and/or conspirationnism if you’re in a mood for that(, debating is fun and instructive ?). But i’ll totally understand if you lack the time and/or will to continue this discussion for too long.

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                Well of course it’s better than France since France is still colonial imperialist power and this hellhole was once SFRY, but hear me out.

                Here as I wrote, the government for 30 years is selling everything to EU, USA, Saudis etc and is extremely liberal, while they try to play ‘‘both sides’’ etc, they still lick boots of EU on every ocasion and allow literal fascism to spread like wildfire while they do nothing. If you’re familiar with fascism in Eastern Europe and rise of right-wing parties everywhere, then you know what I’m talking about. While we have most people who support Russia by far, they’re still fascist monarchists promoting religious fanaticism and worshipping nazi collaborators. Those remnants are very little in the form of 2 good but very small communist parties.

                This needs a hard re-education after 30 years of brainrot and as for China, some people love China and view it in positive light, but racism and Sinophobia is also quite spread as is extreme racism against Roma, immigrants etc.

                I forgot where I mentioned my grandmother, but you might need to re-read about the aunt part, she has serious mental problems and while she claimed before that she’s socialist, she went on rightist insane conspiracy theories, antisemitism, LGBT phobia etc, idk about her now considering I didn’t see her for months.

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    “Top Three countries”

    What? There are 4 bars? and 6 colors?

    What am I looking at?

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      no clue 🤷, perhaps a mistake ?
      The article isn’t more informative about this “top three countries”(, and announces a european ban on chinese electric vehicles) : https://archive.ph/69zPS, with the usual race to the bottom :

      Rich countries may offer more subsidies, but CEE countries have cheaper land and labour, looser regulations and lower taxes.

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    You do realize that “foreign investment” also includes investments from Russia, correct?

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      I don’t understand your point and i don’t see a mention of russian foreign investments in the infographic(, probably in the category “Others” ?)

      (It’s not related to your comment but this post also made me think of investments in Ukraine’s economy to incentivize its political alignement change, closer with its past values and those of its south(, if it doesn’t end up absorbed in a tri-alliance with Belarus or something else keeping the n.a.t.o. out, who knows), as well as the topic of spheres of influence)

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        Because your post implies that a rise in foreign investment is a precursor to regime change and coup attempts. In my original comment I’m telling you that Russia is also counted in the foreign investment number so colour revolution based only off of this data is unlikely.

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          Ah, i’m sorry but i can’t wrap my head around why counting(, or not,) Russia in the foreign investments number would change something about this likelihood : if it is absent then China is still enough(, and if it is present then this likelihood would increase). Sorry for my lack of comprehension and feel free not to explain yourself further on this detail if you don’t consider it important.

          colour revolution based only off of this data is unlikely

          While i don’t see the link with Russia(, since the p.r.c. is enough in itself), i entirely agree with this quote, it can just be considered as one of the indicators of geopolitical alignment, and i felt interesting to share this ~discovery with Lemmygrad.