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    The revolution does not occur in a vacuum. How will you acquire weapons, how will you occupy an area, how will you feed yourself, where will you live, how will you communicate with others, what happens if core members get caught, how will you sniff out reactionaries, how will you explain your goals to the people, the list of questions to answer goes on.

    What it means for Marxists to organize is to create a group of revolutionaries that can answer these questions. Strikes are just one way to make your voice heard, nothing is guaranteed.

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    Bro, we talked about this. Think of organization of people like organizing a workspace or document. It makes it easier to get stuff done. Think of “an organization” as in a charity or group for self governance. Organization for communism means bringing people together, directing resources to provide for them, and using mass mobilization to win power. The goal is to create a government in waiting like the Soviets that can take over.

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    Unionise, strikes, mutual aid, and other forms of collective action that leverage the power of a group of people to their benefit.

    Fights though? Where did you get that from?

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          Wait, isn’t the point of creating a people’s army to fight on a revolution?

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            We need infrastructure, General. Making a revolutionary army is the job of communist party, not militia adventurists or larpers. Jumping to “revolutionary” violence is putting the cart before the horse. If you want to shoot guns, join an SRA branch or whatever. If you feel like your only use is killing people, seek counseling.

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            Yes, but just getting a little group to do terrorism is counterproductive. What we need to do is support a ton of people with collective mechanisms so they will support “our” principled party that can lead them to victory over the bourgeois state.

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    It means joining or making a group, then working with that group to advance common goals. A lot of the specifics depend on your opinions (which political party, if any, to join, whether adventurism is okay, etc.), but unionization for example is generally a kind of organizing that most people support.

    Striking and fighting are just a very small part of that, a lot if it is about getting other people to join your group, or somehow convincing people that you are in the right (or, bleh, electoralism (hecking DSA)).

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    When someone says “organize” without further elaboration or context regarding what they actually mean, they are saying: “I am either so immensely lazy that I refuse to give even the most basic directions to a receptive audience or else I’m a poser who doesn’t know what they’re talking about”

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      Eh, I’d say it is a point worth making to some people even in vague terms. When you’re dealing with people who have been socialized to view everything through an individualist lens of “do your own thing and it will somehow change the world among enough people doing their own thing,” the emphasis alone of arguing for organization can mean something.

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        You never are in a situation where you can say exactly one word and therefore must pick the imperative “Organize!”, and yet all over the internet we see people saying remarkably little (imo because most of them don’t even know what they mean and therefore can’t explain it). A simple “get involved with a group of activists even if you need to make the group yourself” is much better and should clear up a substantial amount of OP’s confusion.

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          There are platforms (like twitter) where every word counts. And the TL;DR thing on the internet is real. I don’t think you can blanketly say that elaborating is always easy and therefore it’s always ignorance if someone does not give the full spiel.

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            I said a sentence, not a full spiel. Literally “apes together strong” is probably a more useful political message than “Organize!”

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              “apes together strong” could be worse. People already know this. What they don’t know is that it is possible and necessary to organise to realise that strength.

              Taking the example of unions: people know that uniting with other workers should make them stronger—but then they get frustrated when they don’t organise within it, when they treat it as an organisation that will work for them. They pay their dues and tell people, ‘I joined the other apes but they keep letting me down. There’s no rep and they don’t do anything for me.’

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              Ok, but what context is that sentence in? If you said “get involved with a group of activists even if you need to make the group yourself” to a neo-nazi, you aren’t really helping the communist cause, are you. You aren’t with saying “organize” either, of course. But the point I’m trying to make is against overgeneralizing the context of what these things are being said in order to be dismissive about how people are presenting them and the knowledge they are implied to possess as a result.

              I resisted saying it at first cause I didn’t want it to come across as a snarky gotcha, but it seems relevant at this stage of our back and forth to point out that in your original post of dismissal, you did not in fact elaborate on what organizing means yourself. And within the back and forth so far, the furthest you have gotten is “get involved with a group of activists even if you need to make the group yourself.” Which has no inherent anti-imperialist, working class, or communist connotation within it.

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                Ok, but what context is that sentence in? If you said “get involved with a group of activists even if you need to make the group yourself” to a neo-nazi, you aren’t really helping the communist cause, are you.

                Comrade, what the fuck are you talking about?

                You aren’t with saying “organize” either, of course. But

                But nothing, it’s just a dumb argument, I’m sorry. You say different things to different groups.

                I resisted saying it at first cause I didn’t want it to come across as a snarky gotcha, but

                Your resisting was a good impulse and I wish you could have kept it up.

                it seems relevant at this stage of our back and forth to point out that in your original post of dismissal, you did not in fact elaborate on what organizing means yourself. And within the back and forth so far, the furthest you have gotten is “get involved with a group of activists even if you need to make the group yourself.” Which has no inherent anti-imperialist, working class, or communist connotation within it.

                Ironically, you make the same error here. Telling some chud to “Organize!” isn’t that useful. “Organize!” exhortations come after a transmission of ideas like “apes together strong” or “don’t blame Mexicans for your boss fucking you” or whatever, because the standard formula is to make an argument about values or facts of the world or whatever and then conclude with a call to action. Add one (1) additional tweet to the chain if you need to in order to prevent that call to action from being a single word; it’s really not that hard.

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                  It took another poster a sentence to describe some substantive meanings of organizing in a communist context; what you’ve failed to say once in post after post of self indulgent ranting. Get your mind out of the cycle of elitism and dunking, and take this seriously.

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                  Ignore my above comment. I think we’re on the same page.