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Biden administration dramatically softens the sanctions it imposed on the seven Israelis from the Israel Defense Forces and makes it clear that they will be able to use their bank accounts.
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Sanctions just 7 settlers instead of the state directly backing settlements and can’t even keep that up. Fucking pathetic.
The world power needs to understand that it has crossed the line
So showing any backbone is crossing the line? Wow.
I think for a world power such language should have been a reason to double down on punishing those little punks.
all palestinian violence against israel is self-defense.
He’s got a “complicit in genocide” reputation to upkeep after all.
More like co-author
Settler colonialism is one of the most vile, disgusting crimes against humanity, and it is our duty to move in favor of liberation for all peoples.
There’s useless and then there’s you people.
If people took half of the energy they spend shaming people for not adhering to the two-party system and turned it to pressuring Biden to be a better candidate he’d have switched positions by now
biden has been a zionist for probably longer than you’ve been alive
you’re not going to push him left. ever.
I doubt it. Biden doesn’t give a hoot about what his voting base thinks or wants because they’re going to mindlessly vote for him no matter how many genocides he does
Disagree, if the centrists, liberals, and Vote Blue No Matter Who crowd worked him over half as hard at they work over us there’d be no reason not to give in.
Except for the main reason of “all of Biden’s donors would leave him.” Neoliberal democracy has nothing to do with voters, it has everything to do with fundraisers. If Biden loses his fundraisers to someone else, the voters will follow, because that money will buy the propaganda to move them. This is how neoliberal democracy works. To think otherwise is idealist; it has never worked that way and it never will work that way under the current system.
A chunk of the funders hedge their bets though, right?
And what organization that has spent potentially MILLIONS of dollars at this point is just going to walk away from their investment instead of allowing their pet capital critter a bit of slack on the leash to give some crumbs to the unwashed masses to quiet us down?
But how do you pressure him into being a better candidate when the only threat you have against him, i.e. voting him out, is held hostage by the fact that if you do vote him out an even more extreme radical will get in power?
Fucking genocide loving liberal
Just don’t blame the voters with spines when he loses the election.
Edit: To all the geniuses saying Trump is worse, you are no different than MAGA. Saying you’ll vote for Biden regardless of a fucking genocide means that he’ll get away with anything. If you morons actually cared you would have protested instead of trying to make people vote for a genocidal zionist cuck. Yet here we are.
Joe Biden isn’t catering to me and my friends
Apparently not wanting to fund a genocide with my tax dollars is the same as me removed about gas prices. The funniest part is that these people think that they are so much better than MAGA.
As long as they didn’t vote for the fascist who intends to start a dictatorship and also supports Israel just as strongly.
You already did that with Hillary, really worked out great for everyone, huh? I do not understand how anyone can consider a second Trump presidency preferable to Biden just not doing as much as they would like.
What exactly do you think Trump would be doing in any way better in this situation?
Being bitter about your choices so letting others make the choice for you is way more spineless.
What exactly do you think will change if you keep voting for the same guy regardless of anything he does?
It’s not regardless of anything he does. There is a floor. It’s Donald J Trump, and project 2025.
If he was doing, or likely to do, worse things than grifting the American people for his personal wealth, pardoning dozens of heinous criminals, stripping our rights away like reproductive healthcare, overturning the affordable care act, rigging the tax code in favor of small businesses, rolling back environmental regulations and any progress we have made towards decarbonizing our economy, backstabbing our allies and gutting the administrative state in favor of christofacists then trump would be the better choice.
I can’t imagine what could be worse, but I couldn’t imagine Trump before he took office either.
Withholding your vote for Biden is an endorcement of Trump and the Republicans. Democrats and leftists will never hear “Oh man I should be offering people some real left wing policies so they will finally turn out for me.” They will 100% of the time hear “people really like this right winger, I need to be more like him if I want to be elected.” And the Republicans will see it as a signal to move even farther to the right. The Overton window will shift until balance will be restored.
Denying this reality is a failure of imagination. Things can ALWAYS get worse. The Dems will ALWAYS be the better option. But they could be a better or worse depending on how many of the last few elections they won.
If you care for the Palestinian people, you will vote for Biden and the democrats instead of the party that are frothing at the Mouth to accelerate the genocide.
You already did that with Hillary, really worked out great for everyone, huh?
Apparently not, because you and yours still haven’t learned you can’t just cudgel votes for warhawk genociders out of people with international principles; that shit might work on western nihilists, but it doesn’t work on us. If you haven’t learned the lesson, then I guess it’s time for remedial classes. My vote’s going to Afroman until either the DNC stops being a genocide-endorsement party, or the country falls under the weight of its own hubris.
And who do you imagine these spine-wielding voters will be voting for exactly?
Third party or nobody. Maybe Mr. Literally Anybody Else.
Unfortunately, that just makes it easier for Trump to win.
Skeletor I suppose.
BADUMM TSS
Not voting is still voting, friend. Fix the system after Biden gets reelected, rather than end up in bigger shit than we’re already wading through. Not voting has never fixed anything.
I detest them both. I’m still voting for Biden (though I did just send another email to the White House threatening not to).
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How about this: I more mean to fix the system after Trump DOESN’T get elected. That guy wants to be dictator, and we’ve got enough problems without also living under a dictatorship. What do you think will happen if you vote in Trump?
I understand the notion of exploding the system, and like I said I’m not a fan of Biden. But you should have voted for Bernie Sanders in the 2020 primary. Trump isn’t a means for positive change.
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Yep, a dictatorship would definitely be different! Enjoy!!
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Lol I love this take.
Normal people:
Donald Trump getting elected will be bad for labor rights, abortion rights, voting rights, LGBTQ rights, among a ton of other freedoms. I should do the simple thing and vote for Joe Biden even though I disagree with some of his policies and he hasn’t taken a strong enough stance on others that I support. I understand he has to compromise and can’t tailor his policies exactly to my niche beliefs. Even if I don’t vote, Biden or Trump will be president; I should vote for the one that will at least do some of the things I support.
The brave freedom fighters on Lemmy with a spine:
Joe Biden isn’t catering to me and my friends, I’m not voting for that capitalist neo liberal pig Joe Biden. Surely the Democrats will call me next time they nominate a candidate, after all we should be catered too even though we’re an extremely small community.
Joe Biden isn’t catering to me and my friends
No one’s complaining about a candidate not “catering” to them. They’re complaining about Biden being a zionazi and committing a genocide. Even going as far as to bypass congress to send “isreal” weapons faster.
I understand that you’re angry, but do you think Trump will protect Palestinians? He also wants to maintain US military might in the middle east, and he’s also beholden to Zionists.
Work on getting third parties on the ballot so we can actually get a choice next time around. Find a minor politician who you generally agree with and see what they think would help fix our process. Join a union.
Wanting to stop Israel from murdering children: “catering to me and my friends”
Genocide is just such a niche issue I don’t see how you expect Biden to care /s
even though we’re an extremely small community
You’ll see how “small” this community is in November.
What are you in favor of? I get that you are sick of Biden’s status quo, but are you actually in favor of Trump?
I’m in favor of people voicing their concerns. Because they expect you to vote regardless of anything. And nothing is going to change with that mind set. You can’t expect a reaction without an action.
Actually, they don’t expect you to vote. What percentage voted in the last presidential? The midterms? Now break that down by age. Numbers are low. The Democran and the Republicrat powers that be have perfected a system in which most people feel powerless and unheard. The binary works great for that, and they keep each other in power.
True change will only be possible when 3rd party candidates become viable. There’s no single way it can look: ranked choice voting, parliamentary representation, whatever. But until we get actual choices about who governs us…
I understand that people want change. I do too. But to me, voting for Trump is one of two options presented by those in power, and might result in real losses in future voting rights, along with real losses to our judicial system. Can’t we come up with something better than that? Electing Trump is not a solution to anything. Neither is Biden, but at least he’s not an active threat to voting rights.
People suck at collectivizing. It’s still what we need to do. Direct democracy, proportional representation, and more than two choices. I’m not sure how we get there, but it’s where we need to be.
I’m sure your little club is just big enough to get Donald Trump elected, that’s how margins work.
Unfortunately for you there a magnitudes more voters that would be alienated by your fringe politics, so most elected officials aren’t going to give your ideas priority. To think otherwise is the attitude of a petulant child that wants a happy meal when the rest of the family wants to go to sushi.
Despite all that I think you’ve convinced me. The best way to stop the genocide in Gaza now, in March of 2024, is to make sure that the Zionist, single state solution, ban on Palestinian immigration candidate gets elected to be our president in from 2025 through 2029. That will definitely teach those damn establishment Democrats to listen to us, and will 100% improve the lives of the people in Gaza and the west bank. I’m sure that Trump is just joking about immigrants tainting the blood of America. He’s surely not serious about project 2025, or enacting a nation wide abortion ban after 6 weeks. We have to get this guy elected in November to stop the genocide today.
Vote socialism in 2024 or you’re getting the orange
We’re getting the orange anyway because the Democrats would rather preserve their AIPAC funding than win an election.
And besides; the Socialist Party is an FBI front organization, the PSL is content to ignore Russia’s war on Ukraine, and even though the Greens have decent politics they’re still being used by everyone as a wedge to split the Democrat vote in favor of Republicans. There’s no way to vote for socialism that isn’t self-defeating.
What information do you have that the PSL is a front?
LOL
All I could find is a sussy substack and Reddit posts. It could be true.
The PSL are state socialists, their entire reason for existing is to be a front for state-aligned interests.
That’s what I’m seeing too. They have to say that, or be labeled as domestic terrorists. Any openly revolutionary party is a threat.
Indeed. Parties which actually pose a threat to the current establishment aren’t permitted to organize.
Playing “Spot the Fed” was a popular passtime at Occupy.
the PSL is content to ignore Russia’s war on Ukraine,
Mmmh, chauvinist take. I wouldn’t want you in any of my organizations anyway until some self-crit was done.
If anything, the PSL is a front for Russia, given that Russia has featured them on Russian state media. But I don’t see them as being a threat to the Democrats. A quick look at their Wikipedia page shows that the most percentage votes they ever got in an election was 40%, and that was just 57 votes in a college town.
It’s a pity the US doesn’t have a parliamentary system. It would make so much more sense to have something like Greens, Socialists, and Democrats forming a coalition.
Oh man, if socialism were on the ballot I’d happily vote for it. Maybe I’ll write that in when I go vote.
Is Biden the socialism?
Soy
Israel runs on American dollars, without American dollars Israel cannot exist.
Shekel barely counts as a seperate currency.
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They stole the money to blackmail, buy voters and politicians.
Don’t bring the “Jews control the world” antisemitic BS around here. Yeah, something’s up with the US government that I don’t totally understand, but you don’t have to latch onto crazy and hateful ideologies. That just makes more problems.
So AIPAC isn’t a thing to you ? or Rich American Zionist donors like the current US ambassador to japan Rahm Emanuel who was funneling money to the Israeli Propagandists Cochav Elkayam Levy who is behind the Hamas ‘Mass Rape’ Narrative Exposed As Fraud. their is no Hate in admitting that Many Zionists occupy key positions of power in many countries and parliaments like US, UK and Canada and are working to advance Israel interest.
The liberal left has become very stupid and naive by labeling everything as hate, because they are unable to face the facts, by refusing to get into merky territory, they are keeping the working class under the illusion of a fair democratic system, while in reality they have those who pull the strings keep the status quo.
There’s an entire fucking UNIVERSE of difference between the /pol/ assertion “jews control the world” and the actually-on-level “Zionist fascists are the biggest financiers of the Democrat party”; and that this is really a question for you makes me question just where it is you spend your time when you’re not here.
The religion as a whole isn’t the problem; it’s the fascist ideology that uses Judaism as a shield specifically to stoke antisemitic sentiment in the places where international Jewry calls home; specifically to drive them back to Israel to help with the settler-colonial project.
The US and Israel are both part of the same imperial project. Israel is the US’s unsinkable aircraft carrier in the Middle East and its laboratory for surveillance and occupation and the US is Israel’s arms depot and money spigot, it’s a mutual relationship that both countries benefit from.
The US doesn’t control Israel, Israel doesn’t control the US, they’re just partners working towards a mutual goal of settler occupation.
Edit: Responded to the wrong person. So sorry!
Have you confused me with someone else?
Oops, yes, sorry! I had assumed the first commenter replied back. Suddenly everything they wrote was reasonable. Turns out it was you! My apologies.
Trump 2024 anyone (edit: I’m not cheering him on, just stating a fact)?
Edit: I only read the headline then came back and read the article and just… What the actual fuck?
Did Biden, the president of the most power country in the world, just listen to a threat from their protectorate? What the fuck is going on here? How do people see shit like this and think “oh yes this is fine”?
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Guess who’s taking about Trump here? NOBODY.
You have absolutely no idea how weak this line of argument makes Biden look. Oh you’d be better than literally the worst person to have ever been president? Wow omg I can’t wait to vote for you. Talk about a low fucking bar.
That’s odd, because if you bothered to look any further down you actually would see comments talking about Trump, and there were more before.
But that aside, you’ll find that’s because I’m not advocating for Biden - any more progressive candidate would’ve been better, but that’s not what we got. What I AM advocating is against Trump - I hardly think I need to explain why.
Since it’s basically impossible for an independent to win, if you don’t want Trump, your only option is Biden. That’s it, whether we like it or not.
Since it’s basically impossible for an independent to win, if you don’t want Trump, your only option is Biden. That’s it, whether we like it or not.
I agree.
But this post is about a thing Biden has done. Surely you can see how so many people jumping right to this “lesser of two evils” argument in response to something like this might look like an attempt to shield him from criticism?
Honestly what could Biden actually do that would change the choice on election day? Unless he transforms into literally Hitler it is kind of a given that any reasonable person needs to vote for him, surely?
As I said before, I was focusing on all the replies that were around when I first commented that were commenting on/advocating for Trump - that is why I said “I’m surprised how many people think Trump of all people is going to somehow handle to both Ukraine and Israel better than Biden”, because that is the sentiment I saw.
I can see how that would look like an attempt to shield him from criticism, but at the same time I don’t think I’m wrong in saying it doesn’t really matter - unless you want Trump in the Whitehouse again, Biden is the only choice…
I’m not saying I like the fact that the only two candidates we have are basically “allow the genocide to continue for the foreseeable future” or “escalate the genocide, and let Russias do what they want to Ukraine”, but that is what we’re stuck with.
Blue MAGA is so ridiculous. Who was the first president to ever approve arm sales to Ukraine? That’s right, Trump. The Obama/Biden administration said it was too provocative to sell arms to Ukraine and would escalate tensions with Russia. And then Trump took office and broke the taboo because he didn’t care if Russia found it threatening. Good luck fitting that into your “Trump is so clearly Russian asset” box.
You’re worried about Trump cutting aid to Ukraine? Guess what, it’s already been getting cut. That’s the direction this is headed. Because the president doesn’t decide these things unilaterally - it comes from the DOD. You think the DOD is just gonna watch presidents do whatever they want around the world and just “oh well guess we die now”? No. You think Biden personally developed the strategy for how Israel advances US interests in the region? No. These things operate on the scale of decades, not 4 years at time. The presidents just choose between the options the JCOS provide them.
And as for the genocide of Palestinians, it’s going to happen no matter what, this has been demonstrated clearly. Choosing presidents will not change the outcome. We need to end the existing power structure, not participate in it.
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Oh look, a completely fallacious and divisive comment
Damn, you must’ve dug deep for that scathing nickname - but do you seriously think I’m wrong?
It doesn’t matter what could have happened, who could have done what, the situation is that your choices are Biden or Trump, and one of those is a whole lot worse than the other, despite what some other people commenting on this post think.
Trump has literally done nothing as remotely as evil as Biden’s relentless support of Israel’s genocide. Would it be worse under Trump? Potentially, but Trump isn’t president right now
The word you’re looking for there is “yet”, and that “yet” would be doing a whole lot of heavy lifting.
I’ll defer back to my initial comment - if you want to let Trump in and find out, you’d better be ready to shut it when he does worse.
You cannot beat anyone over the head with a moral cudgel when you are supporting genocide. Period. Frankly, supporting Biden – perhaps the most ardent Zionist in American politics – is so morally despicable that it makes me feel physically ill. If you the status quo is acceptable to you, then by all means continue giving it your approval.
Don’t you fucking dare, however, suggest that people refusing to hand their vote to that evil cretin are somehow the ones OK with what’s going on in Palestine.
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